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Do you like eggs?

Why do I still have to manually fap?
Can't you brain-wave me an orgasm?

elaborate whate the fuck you do exactly

>>5321493
Fuck yes. Only in omelette form though. Cheese, onions and tomatoes. EEG's are also cool - I've taken two today so far.
>>5321502
Japan has been working on a neurofeedback interface that would allow people to manipulate objects in a room based on their brainwaves. I'm pretty sure that once they get that down, we'll be able to develop technology that allows us to strap something to our dicks and through neurofeedback allow us to fap hands free

>>5321521
I take EEG's, assess a client's psychological profile and determine if the behavior that has taken them to me can be related to their baseline brainwave: EG if they've been sucking dick for cocaine becuase they have dominant theta. I then use TMS (transcranial magnetic stimulation) to adjust the wave accordingly.

How do I overthrow the government?

for retention of information what is the best zone to be in?

do binaural beats actually work?

>>5321502
This has actually been done successfully in the USA, but it has not been commercialized or anything. Just research. They implanted an electrode in the spine of someone and sent a signal up one of the nerves which resulted in the people getting orgasms.

>>5321567
i wonder the same things, especially about binaural beats

>>5321567
our brain is most efficient at processing information in the alpha wavelength, but for retention you need to
1. concentrate on the information when its presented
2. sleep
This is why cramming kinda sucks, but cramming the night before and then sleeping works.

Binaural beats do work, but they are misused 99% of the time, and their effect is miniscule compared to TMS. Everyone has baseline brainwave frequencies (be they in theta, alpha, or beta range) and in order to effectively use binaural beats you need to make sure the beat frequency is specific to your frequency. so if you want to go into a lucid state, you need to listen to a binaural beat at theta frequency that matches your own, be the frequency 5.5hz, 6.3hz, or whatever.
tl:dr - you need an EEG to effectively use binaural beats.
>>5321562
nuke them.

>>5321578
Implanting an electrode in the substantia nigra would bring more pleasure, in my opinion.

Does shit like i-doser actually work?

>>5321567
here

>>5321614

how do I find a place that can use TMS on me? or how can I do it myself?

google is obvious but what should I look for?

>>5321643
Placebo effect mostly.
As I stated before, you need a rhythm close to your resonant brainwave freq for that activity type.
Also, if you listen to binaural beats religiously (like every day for an hour for a month), they will change your baseline brainwave

>>5321671

Change for the better or for worse?

>>5321648
FDA approved tms in the USA last october, and many therapists are picking it up, but they don't know what the fuck to do with it (neurologists don't want to touch it becuase most don't understand)- they don't take EEG's and don't understand how much it can fuck someone up, so they'll stimulate in, say, alpha for a few weeks to try to get someone to have that baseline brainwave - but they'll choose an arbitrary frequency, say 10hz. Fact is, though, you need an EEG to tell you that the frequency you should be resonating with is 11.4hz (this depends). I can count on one hand the number of people in the world who understand this enough to use it for treatment.
My colleague is working on a portable tms system. Should be out in a few years.

What to look for when searching? Make sure they take EEG when using TMS.

I'm skeptical of what you've said and will remain so.

>>5321676
Depends on the individual. If you take someone who works and functions fine at the level of anxiety and/or depression they feel everyday without taking extreme means to "relax", then a brainwave change is bad, becuase they will process information differently, and the new way their brain looks at information will cause a level of anxiety or depression that they are not used to.

however, if you're fucked up to start with, then there is potential for positive change.

>>5321717
Good, I was too when I started my work.

Nobody curious about their brains or have anymore questions?

>>5321534

>Japan has been working on a neurofeedback interface that would allow people to manipulate objects in a room based on their brainwaves. I'm pretty sure that once they get that down, we'll be able to develop technology that allows us to strap something to our dicks and through neurofeedback allow us to fap hands free

You mean one of these things?

http://fora.tv/2008/12/12/Tan_Le_Brings_the_Force_to_Life_with_Mind_Control_Device

>>5321781

What are brain waves exactly and how does one go about measuring them?

How much do you get paid,
How easy is it to get into you field,
How many years did you have to study to get where you are now?

>>5321796
yep, that is the concept, basic neurofeedback.
I can actually hear the beeping of someone going through neurofeedback training in the next room. I believe there are vidya games that use these types of controllers, as well!

This is the shit that will make handicapped capable of pouring cereal into a bowl and manipulating a utensil so they can feed themselves.. in the future.

needs a ton of training to be able to use, though :(

>>5321812
brain waves are misunderstood.
To understand what they are, you need to know how they are measured.
They are measured with electrodes, usually conductive metal surfaces that pick up voltage at whatever surface you place them against. I'll provide a pic. electrodes are used in recording EKG's as well, for reference - instead of putting them against your chest, they are placed on different parts of your scalp, where they record electrical activity at your scalp.

the electrical output (once its recorded from scalp and sent through a filter that removes high frequency activity, and set through a machine that amplifies the signal) is the brain wave. This is a measure of summed electrical activity recorded by the electrode coming from the action potentials of pyramidal neurons (neurons perpindicular to your scalp). Thing is, AP's in pyramidal neurons is directly related to all neurons connected to the pyramidal neurons, so its a greater measure of neuronal activity in the area.
>>5321840
patients pay approx. 10k for 30 days.
took me 4 years of study, and one year to figure this shit out.
the field is new (TMS at least).. but you need to know the right people to join it.

so lets say I'm depressed all the damned time and never feel like studying, can this TMS make me a studious and happy student?

Would it be possible to recognise when a person radically changes their thought processess,ie. if they are getting scanned, and doing a complicated algebra problem in their head, then immediately switch to, lets say, mentally playing a violin(that they can play well) ,in what way would this manifest itself in terms of the waves that you interpret?Do you try to have all your subjects to perform the same tasks, or lack of tasks, to illustrate certain points?In what way(aside from the commercial app of portable tms) do you believe that your research will ultimatly be used in real world apps? OR is it only a stepping stone to tech that we havent perfected yet?

>>5322061
it will, if you respond to the treatment. treatment depends on the EEG. If you are depressed because you have dominant alpha throughout your cortex, (which means you're fucking smart, but lazy, and you think yourself into depression, and you don't fall asleep at night becuase you can't shut off your brain), then i'd give you TMS at a frequencies oscillating between 9 and 12 Hz, at your prefrontal cortex, to break up that frontal alpha , allow you to become happy becuase you'll be able to disengage more, allow your limbic system to have you feel emotion, etc.

if you're depressed from anxiety, i'd give you TMS at your dominant alpha frequency, which would treat the anxiety which would treat the depression.

there are other options with TMS depending on your EEG.
you need an EEG before I can decide treatment.

Pseudoscience quackery is Pseudoscience.

>>5322080
Imma answer the rest of the questions in another post.

>do you believe that your research will ultimatly be used in real world apps?
Clients pay 10k for 30 days of treatment. I am applying it, sure making observations while I do, but not researching it. I have a system down.

>>5322148
I teach medical students this shit, and I get referrals from psychiatrists, psychologists, substance abuse counselors, and the medical school's treatment center. think what you will.

i've been listening to some frequency that's at 20 hz for about 10 minutes and sometimes the volume of it goes down and feels "closed in".
WUT DOES THIS MEAN

>>5322278
it means you need better headphones

>>5322080
Oliver Sacks is is a neuroscientist, and a popular medical author, and he describes taking the EEG of a savant who was asked to make mental calculations. He then said that he was able to correlate every mental calculation to tics on the EEG.
I think it's BS. A stanford study showed that glucose metabolism in your brain only changes when you are performing new and novel tasks, most notably with your hands. So functional MRI wouldn't light up if you're playing a song you have memorized, but it would if it's relatively new.

For EEG, however, you fill find that athletes enter into a 'trance' so to speak when they are concentrating. This 'trance' is alpha activity that resonates across the entire cortex.

>Do you try to have all your subjects to perform the same tasks, or lack of tasks, to illustrate certain points?
not research, sry.
>In what way(aside from the commercial app of portable tms) do you believe that your research will ultimatly be used in real world apps?
Portable TMS would be fucking amazing if it could be mass-produced, since 99% of EVERYONE can gain from it. Currently, it has VERY real application in addiction, and we are talking with the USA military to start treating soldiers with PTSD.

going back to:
>Would it be possible to recognise when a person radically changes their thought processess
You can see EEG changes based on how someone is processing incoming information, so if you take EEG of someone meditating (and they KNOW how to meditate), it will be alpha frequency. Then if you take EEG of them not meditating, it will be different.

>>5322278
feels closed in becuase your neurons are trying to resonate at 20hz.... this is in the beta wavelength, and this is the range where you will see anxiety and restlessness due to scattered and disjointed neuronal communication and information processing. It feels closed in as a result of
1. You aren't used to this
2. Anxiety from neuronal resonance
reason it happens when volume goes down is becuase you aren't given something to attempt to concentrate on, and you are taking in your environment. anxiety from overstimulation.

How close are we to having Penfield Mood Organs?

What kind of degree do you have? Do you run your own business and how much do you make?

>>5322436
We almost have it with blue lights, although you can't choose the state, it just helps you wake up in a way that makes you feel more pleasant.
We could have this now if we didn't mind a machine that interacted with implanted electrodes. But it would cause abuse if not regulated.

You technically don't have MANY brainwave-mood correlates either, so anything interacting with your brainwave would be blunt and not very specific.

>>5322511
To keep myself anon, I can answer:
>Do you run your own business and how much do you make?
Business is a joint venture
Clients pay 10k for 30 days, and approx 6--10 new patients a month. I can't answer more than that.

Would this work positively on people diagnosed with clinical depression, or anxiety disorders?

>>5322557
Yes.
I think of anxiety and depression as brain states resulting from an individual who can not cope with how his or her brain processes information. Change the brain state to a comfortable one and you can erase the anxiety or depression.
This is what medication does, but mostly fails to accomplish. Plus medication has side effects. Ew.

How many threatments do they get over 30 days? Is tms equipment expensive? How much?
Also, do people use it for other things than curing depression, like getting smarter or more focused?

I saw this program about autist, and a professor showed how people could get autis-like abilities (like counting how many dots where at a screen more correctly) after TMS.

>>5322632
*Change how the information is processed and you change how the individual can cope with incoming information which leads to a change in mood, is what I meant to say.

Do you have anything to comment on this article? http://health.usnews.com/articles/health/brain-and-behavior/2009/07/15/brain-stimulation-transcrania
l-magnetic-stimulation.html

>>5322648
Driving home after this question, so i will pick up the thread later.
>How many threatments do they get over 30 days? Is tms equipment expensive? How much?
After 30 days they usually do maintenance treatment if they stay in the area- once a week. It has to be paid for, though. If they are not in the area, I give them a customized binaural beat track that will keep their brainwave in check.
TMS equipment can break the bank. I'm leasing mine. 6 figures? Never went all the way n bought it.
Then again, the shit I use isn't neurostar (which is the FDA approved machine).

>>5322632
I have both. Would it be possible to rid of the symptoms of depression entirely, or just alleviate the problem at hand?

I'm seriously considering this, as I'm a graphic artist that's been having a lot of trouble lately - hand tremors caused by my medications.

You should see the brainwaves from a person having a epileptic seizure

Dooes idoser work?

>>5322835
see this post for the answer to that question, as it has been answered already
>>5321671

Can you only cure depression? Not for getting special abilites etc.? Make you paint better or remember better etc?

>>5322536

Holy shit you make a lot of money. How/why did you get started on the path to your job? What University did you go to?

braaaaaiiiinnnnnnssssblox

>>5322786
The word "cure" is looked at so horrendously in the medical field that I'm going to ignore it.

Think of it this way:
If we are depressed, and we take medications, we take the medications because we can't cope with the world without them. We can have overwhelming anxiety as a result of depression; we take meds as a result. Most meds for depression see depression and then compensate for it. If however, you change how you take information in, then you will see the difference. say you are depressed becuase you lack motivation, you can't fall asleep at night, you are fucking bored with everything, you can't shut off your brain, etc, - an EEG will show that you have a brain that does exactly this. the point is that you can't cope with it. So change that baseline.

many people self medicate with alcohol or other misc drugs. ironically this treatment follows a similar logic, but it doesn't involve any life-threatening substances.

I do EEG's too, but I use them for research.

How many electrodes are you guys running? Have you caught an epileptic yet? Have you found a tumor yet? Doesn't long hair piss you off? How good is your software and hardware? Can you digitize a head into 3D images?

>>5322818

I've seen that. A nurse friend showed me a printout of a guy getting ECT (electroconvulsive therapy, i.e. "electroshock"). Fucking insane.

>fucking smart, but lazy, and you think yourself into depression, and you don't fall asleep at night because you can't shut off your brain.

well, fuck me, too bad I don't have 10K sitting around or I'd be all over this shit.

confused "cure" in
>>5322915
with this post
>>5322786
and yes, you can alleviate depression symptoms as I think I stated just previously.

>>5322818
I have. They're purty.
>>5322835
idoser works, but it doesn't work as advertised. You'll just be fucking yourself up.

>>5322915
This treatment will improve your functional ability, memory, information retention, concentration, sleep patterns and more. Obviously if you're already a genius it won't make you smarter, but if you have ADD or ADHD, it will effectively negate the diagnoses.

forgot tripcode,
>>5323041
>>5323086

Ever has a "wft is on" experience with a relatively healthy living "specimen"?

>>5323125
"what the fuck is he on" (I meant to say)

>>5323077
Electroshock has had some support lately. Not sure if it's coming back in style but there are apparently cases where it was effective.
Let's just say that it has a hell of a sales job to do.

>>5322786
If you are considering this I'd love to have you come in, let me know and i'll set up an email.
>>5323077
Fuck ECT.
>>5322699
They have a cursory understanding of what happens..
>>5323073
>How many electrodes are you guys running?
Running 17 electrode caps..
>Have you caught an epileptic yet?
I do tests for epilepsy (TMS + Epilepsy = nono), and did a pro-bono for a past patient three days ago- saw the beginning of epileptic activity in a prefrontal area of his cortex. poor guy.
I analyzed 24 hour mouse EEG in undergrad college. Saw a few seizures there. Boring as shit work though.
>Have you found a tumor yet?
We caught a possible tumor the other day, referred to brain scan clinic.
>Can you digitize a head into 3D images?
And we only go as far as using topographic maps of fourier analysis for each channel.
I hate dreadlocks and hair extensions, but long hair is fine!
Software and hardware is top of the line!

ntnu og uio, chalmers etc

>>5322971
Can't say which univ, sorry, but it was top 35 in USA.
The undergraduate research I did made it so that I was in communication with university big-wigs. We talked, shit happened. And it was cash!

>>5323125
People who have a lot of money are more likely to have personality disorders, in my experience. I've had a "reasonably healthy specimen" leave me love notes becuase he was trying to manipulate me into letting him stay in the treatment despite breaking the contract he signed to join up.
I worked with schizophrenia a lot in the past. Many fucking experiences. One thing I learned from it: never contest with someone that they have schizophrenia. They'll look at you like you're the crazy one.

>>5323182
Its useful for depression but it's archaic and destructive. Fuck it.

>>5323238
I think you touched on something there. I just had a few raises and suddenly I'm on effexor for strees/anxiety symptoms. I must be schizophrenic as well as my neurologist never argued with me ;)

>>5323186
What country/state are you working from? I'd love to but you may be too far.

>>5323268
I see the gnome in the room too man.

>>5323186
I guess my lab is probably a little better funded than yours. I'm spoiled with my 168 channel caps. 17 is plenty when you are just looking for general waves. Our research is mostly on ERPs, where we need specific generators.

Do you run your tests in a Faraday cage?

Epileptics and tumors are way worse when you are doing research and you have to tell some poor SOB that just wanted ten bucks to see a neurologist.

You seem to be legit. I honestly don't know what do ask...

... Have you ever read The Lathe of Heaven by Ursula K. LeGuin? One of my favorite books, personally.

So you earn a 6 figure income? That's nice. I'm heading to university next year-I might look into neurology (I really like money and neurology fascinates me).

What degree did you do, how did you get this job, how old are you and what other jobs have you had and how much do you earn now?

>>5323273
Better if you tell me where you are located.
USA/CA here.
If you want, i'll set up that email and we'll chat. Thing is, people usually come out and get a motel in the area if they are too far. Tx is every week day, and you are looking at a 30minute -2hour commitment every day.

>>5323268
I love to go see my neurologist. His receptionist/assistant has BOOBS to have a seizure for.

Is there an association of practitioners of TMS in North America? Guess I can google it.

I was a volunteer at this experiment:
http://www.brainlab.no/?page_id=13

and also I took this course in neurosciene http://www.ntnu.no/portal/page/portal/ntnuen/all_courses?selectedItemId=31010&rootItemId=29569&a
mp;emnekode=NEVR2010&year=2009

The webpage for our coursebook rocked, check out the animations in every chapter, http://www.sinauer.com/neuroscience4e/animations01.html

Btw, I also wrote a rapport on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cellular_differentiation

Are you a chick?

brainblox

>>5323297
The US, eh? I figured as much. I'm afraid not, then, that's far too long a travel for me. I would, had I not already invested in where I live now.

brainblox

>>5323280
>I guess my lab is probably a little better funded than yours.
Not a lab. Not doing research.
>Do you run your tests in a Faraday cage?
Don't need to with our setup :)
>Our research is mostly on ERPs, where we need specific generators
My curiousity in all this started @ ERPs. Got my name on a paper published last month on ERPs in a journal I'm not revealing so I can stay anon.
>Epileptics and tumors are way worse when you are doing research and you have to tell some poor SOB that just wanted ten bucks to see a neurologist.
When I was doing ERP research as an undergard I felt so bad.. all the schizophrenics thought that the EEG was treatment. I didn't say anything because they would feel 'better' after I took off the cap.
>>5323286
Haven't read the book.. I'll look into it, thanks!
My favorite book is The Fountainhead, btw. I hate all of Ayn Rand's other books.
Also.. do what fascinates you. The money will follow. Ask anything you've ever wanted to know about the brain. I don't want to get too technical - this is 4chan after all, but i'll answer the best I can.
>>5323296
This is my first non-internship job. I'm fucking young.

brainblox

>>5323328
Not that I've heard of ;_;
>>5323366
I have a dick and I have balls. I'm a dude. Any femanon want some of this!? lol.
>>5323377
:( We get people from europe infrequently.. shame. Good for you, though, TMS is unregulated outside of the USA. Very small chance you can find someone who knows how to do it right, though. Neurofeedback training is an alternative.. but.. in my opinion, TMS is the good shit.
>>5323352
keep it up mang. idk if you were a previous poster.. tripcode would be awesome if you want to establish rapport with me.
Thing about neuro courses nowadays.. I have a problem with how neurological communication is taught nowadays.

God damn! serious thinking during seizure

>>5323352
Dude, I just checked on that coursebook.
I own a copy.
Lawl.

>>5323380
you didn't answer all of my questions, like salary, what degree? :(
c'mon it's Anonymous.

How much power do you need for your gear to generate, what, 1-2 tesla bursts?

>>5323503
Google + smart person =identifiable information.
if you are interested, get a bio sci or comparable degree at least. I live comfortably.
>>5323504
hardly
the machine maxes at just under 1 tesla, if I remember correctly.

Do you use the H-coil. Wikipedia has an interesting read on it. It seems this coil is best for the treatment of depression.

>>5323553
I use the figure 8 coil.
|
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Haven't extensively tested the H-coil, so I don't care to, since I don't know how or if it will interact like I know the 8 will.

>>5323549
Tell us your salary at least, then. Can't get nothing from that.

>>5323586
the busines generates 6 figures monthly. But we make money depending on the number of clients, so I can't really give you a solid number.

>>5323553
Also, you know how wikipedia works, right?
There is a fuckload of political shit with neurostar and their machine. They wanted us to buy their machine but we told them that we were happy. They hate us now. Plus they kinda have a chokehold on the market. I pray for more companies to get machines out there.

>>5323640
It's just a freaking electromagnet. Can't be that hard to make. I can wind one up at home. I'll try it on the cats.

what machine do you use? what would the machines cost?

>>5322786
idk if you're still reading, but you should get an rEEG. Ask your psychiatrist about it.
>>5323713
lol'd.

Anyone have any more brain related questions?
I would think that this would be more popular, what with everyone in arcanine thinking that there's something wrong with them.

>>5323713
>I'll try it on the cats.
They are probably suffering from extreme anxiety. They go hide as soon as they hear my younger sister or younger brother. Probably somewhere in the frontal cortex would be where I would aim.

How do I solve erictile disfunction?

Not trolling, I swear, I wish I was..

>>5323744
Guess it's not covered by medical insurance. Hope Obama's plan will cover treatment...
I am really a sceptic on this TMS thing. I don't believe it can help more than more conventional and cheaper treatments. One day...maybe.

>>5323803
We don't market TMS as the "treatment" so it IS covered by insurance.
>>5323776
If it isn't physiological, get therapy.
>>5323772
Best gieb them valium beforehand so they don't move around when the stimulation starts.

>>5323640

I could probably make one. I'll find a schematic and see what I can throw together with the stuff in my dorm room.

>>5323776
rather, get therapy and try TMS :p

If it isn't physiological, then changing whatever is causing your anxiety or depression that is leading to the ED is your solution.

I treat my anxiety with benzodiazepines and exposure.

>>5323817
Try it out! should be fun. The problem is the FDA. You need to at least be in trials to be able to use the machine.

>>5323841

Where do you see this market going in the long term? Are you advertising in places besides this thread? I haven't heard of anything about TMS until now.

I want to know if there's money to be made in the coming years.

Have you tried it yourself?

>>5323861
not advertising here, lol. I just am bored and I want to answer questions about the brain. Also, as I've written before, the military is interested in using this for PTSD. Fuckloads of money. The discovery channel science is going to have a segment on this next month on their "popsci's the future of: PLEASURE"

There's definitely money to be made with technology that changes, manipulates, and interacts with the brain. There's a ton of research in all of it at the moment.
>>5323836
careful.. benzos WILL fuck you up.

>>5323812
Clonazepam .15-.25mg will make them purrrrr.

>>5323817
Yeah but the FDA doesn't allow LSD which can also help.

>>5323884
I know.. I'm scared to stop taking them.

but I'm on < 4mg a day so I think with a slow return to zero I should be fine.

do you like this article: http://discovermagazine.com/2007/aug/unsolved-brain-mysteries
can you give comments to each of the 10 points?

>>5323874
took my EEG to see if I could benefit from it. EEG said I can't. I said it could benefit 99% of people. I don't fall under that %.
My colleage used it on himself when first testing it. Stimulated his ocular/occipital cortex pretty strongly. He went blind for 15 mins.
I have felt it on many occasions, though, mostly demonstrations.. I make sure that I stimulate at my alpha frequency so I don't mess with something that doesn't need it.
>>5323935
I like it because the questions are thought evoking, but I'm not doing homework. Post questions in this thread. I actually have my own thoughts about each of the points.
>>5323929
if you are concerned about what meds work for you, get an rEEG. Also, you should taper off sooner then later. I've had a lot of trouble with people who were addicted to benzos becuase it fucks up the brain so much.

guess that's my cue to go shave my balls, was fun while it lasted thread ;_;

I read somewhere that glia cells, with are thought only to nurish the neurons, might also comunicate themselves. And might influense the neurons. The glia cells whould not comunicate via action potensials but through neurotransmitter i think.
Do you know anything about this? Your tms would be able to alter these cells?

no no ball shaving! we're not done yet! btw, not sure if it was glia cells or one of the other kinds. Maybe it was the cell that also makes insulation for long reaching neurons etc.

>>5324253
Transcranial Magnetic Stimulation won't affect neuroglia or glia, for that matter. Neurons have a unique resonance attribute that makes TMS work.
Sorry :(

Yes, i have a question!
Does what you do with the brain of people alter their souls?
Does it gives radiation that can cause cancer or mutations?
Do you become a different person or do you just feel less prone to negative emotions? with EEG treatmements?

Thank you and that is all..

>>5324420
do you think at any point in the near future; we will be able to use this stuff for actual mind control-

I want to get a blowjob from my mom and fuck her up the ass.

ANSER MY QUESTIONS PLEASE
NEUROCHIURGIAN

>>5324928
Probably not...

Yeah, definitely not.
>>5324496
The "soul" is hotly contested... It changes how you process information, and by extension how you see and interact with the world. TMS doesn't stimulate at levels that cause cancer, no.

Also, yes! It makes people less prone to be emotional, depending on the protocol. For example someone who starts at a slower brainwavelength (theta) and is increased to alpha, then they will have more control over their emotions.

>>5325239
are you saying this from moralfaggotry or tech limitations-what about quantum dots?

I really wanna bone her bum.

I want your job.

I'm going to end up being a plain old psychologist, tinkering with peoples brains through questionaire inventories and 'the talking cure' :[

in comparison your job seems hella glamorous

>>5325348
you should look into neurofeedback training/biofeedback training, or eventually finding a doc who can prescribe tms. All exciting ways of psychology to pair with this.

when you take a person's EEG how do you tell where their special brain wave pattern is?

>>5325778
fourier analysis, love the shit. It shows me relative distribution of wave frequency activity over time.

>>5325828

So it works 100% of the time? Do you ever get people wanting their money back?

I'm reading the Neurostar TMS instruction manual pdf and this seems incredibly easy to make/do including the GUI. Fourier analysis would require me to go back to my Diff Eq or Circuits books but besides that I might have a crude working model in a few months...if that.

>>5325828
hey you ever going to give me athought out answer?>>5324928

look at my Cyclops paradox thread!

Someone has to be intelligent enough to at least point out a legitimate flaw, if not appreciate it.

Can I use this to make someone fall in love with me?

Can you improve my alpha waves so I can be a telepath?

>>5327120
no, but you'll fly man, you'll fly so hard.

:/
>>5327136
lol, no I can't see any way of this ever happening.

>>5328204
Fly in love with me? Sweet.

Also why do you see telepaths never happening?

how do you know what frequencies solve which problems? Is that something you go to school for? If so what classes would I take?

>>5330240
EEG has been around for more than a century, the waves themselves and what they correlate to are pretty well researched: you can look at my OP picture for reference- if you can understand how the waves themselves come out on EEG, then you can conceptualize how neurons are communicating. For example, look at an EEG channel that is continuous alpha- you can say that the neurons in the area follow a sine-wave like organization of energy, that is, they all generally fire and go into refractory states at the same rate, which is why the alpha wave is so smooth.
There are literally thousands of papers on EEG waves -from general "this frequency" waves to specific "ERP" or evoked response potentials that occur as fast as 20ms after a stimulus, you just need to know how to put it together.
It isn't so simple as that, as you also need to take the brian energy budget into consideration- how an EEG wave represents energy consumption, and topographic distribution of energy consumption levels also come into play. Sorry this sounded technical.
>how do you know what frequencies solve which problems?
Combination of school, study, and conceptualization.

New day, stupid trip..
>>5331210
>what classes would I take?
Economics, neuroscience (to understand the terms, but don't believe all the concepts, please), I think dev bio is amazing, cognitive psych. physics.. you need to have an ability to approach problems from an inter/multidisciplinary perspective.
>Also why do you see telepaths never happening?
I don't see the creation of telepaths happening in the next hundred or so years, at least. There is a big "mystery" about how our neurons communicate with themselves, and although neuroscientists like to say that it is through very specific reaction cascades and arcs-- a specific signal type will always travel along a set path, this just simply isn't physically possible (if you do the math). The answer lies in a faster brainwave type, gamma brainwaves. Unfortunately, these have been dismissed by neurophysiologists, and until it is explored more, manufacturing telepaths aint gonna happen. When we understand interneural communication more, we'll be on the right path.

>>5323082
This. God I should take out a loan and fly to meet OP wherever the fuck he is...

You said we could ask anything about the brain, right?

Have you ever looked at the brain activity of someone on any sort of drug? I always thought it'd be really interesting to see how much someone deviates from baseline when they're on acid, pot, ecstasy, alcohol, etc...

>>5331299
Man, wouldn't that be a trip. If we assumed the whole god archetype was real, and it was just us not being able to cope with HIS/HER reality, imagine how reality would change if we thought of reality as "God"'s stream of conciousness? Nice post :)
>>5331334
Yes. Fucking Yes. This is part of the whole treatment. You treat addiction how I have been describing as well. Alcohol slows down the brain- it is a depressant, and stimulants, well.. speed it up. When a client comes in with a slower brain wave and they have a substance abuse problem, their drug of choice WILL be a stimulant.
In addiction, people start off by self-medicating themselves. I think I touched on this earlier, a little bit.. If you have someone with dominant beta, they will be using depressants - and someone with dominant alpha will use either/or. It's really pretty interesting. I just follow this trend to help them get off their addiction with the TMS.
As I've said before, though, benzo addictio will fuck you up. you have to go through like.. a month of detox before i'd be almost comfortable touching you.

>>5321484
You sound like the kind of person I would crush babies to be able to just sit down and have an awesome conversation with.

>>5331369
That's weird that you read
"God should take out a loan"...
Instead of
"God I should take out a loan"...
Because just after I posted that I went back and read it and was like "shit, without that 'I' in there..."
and basically came up with the exact thing you did. Your speech is very similar to mine.

You wouldn't happen to be looking for any lab assistants/underlings, would you? :]

So have you ever treated obsessive gamers? People with OCD? Sex maniacs? What's the most interesting case you've seen so far?

>>5331436
Oh, ahah, oops! Just thought that the other way was more interesting. Flattered though!
With med students coming through and clients, it's too hectic. But one thing I really endorse is undergraduate research, no matter what the fuck you're gonna do the rest of your life. It is much easier to get started than you think.
>>5331380
<3

>>5331471
Parkinsons. 60+year old actor came in.. and it was kinda pro-bo becuase well, we didn't know exactly wtf was going to happen. Stimulated his motor cortex at like 17hz.. it was so amazing becuase for 3-10 seconds after each burst of tms, his tremors stopped and it looked like he was dead (freaked me out for the first time) he was so relaxed.. but they would come back afterwards. This guy had already fought cancer and won. Sad story, but he told me that it was all worth it for the 10 seconds of 'silence'.
>have you ever treated obsessive gamers? People with OCD? Sex maniacs?
No, varying degrees of OCD, and yes to sex maniacs. Had sex addicts hook up when they met at treatment.. 50+ years old, do not want.

>>5331485
That's awesome, man. I've been interested in neuroscience since I was seriously eight years old, and listening to people like you talk makes the field sound even more interesting. Being on the cutting edge of anything is awesome, though - props to you.

>>5331513

You've said that this is covered by health insurance right? If I'm already undergoing therapy would this fit under that umbrella?

does marijuana fuck your brain?

>>5331624
neurostar TMS is covered by healthcare (insurance companies won't tell you unless you beat it out of them, though) since it's FDA approved. Non FDA approved use of TMS machines, as long as they are in FDA trials is covered by healthcare as long as the facility doesn't say they are providing TMS as the major tx, but in conjunction with other services.
>>5331663
Too much will. Use it once every 2-4 weeks for the rest of your life and you'll be fine. People who come in for MJ addiction come in because of the ADDICTION. Addiction fucks up your life, but a drug like MJ is fine if you keep it in check.

>>5331715

I'm guessing that I wouldn't be able to use my health insurance to see you then considering the mutual dislike between Neurostar and you guys. Do you think you could give a recommendation for someone to go to? Possibly in the Northeast?

I'm also interested in how much you could fix with this treatment. The man with Parkinson's makes me wonder where the uses for TMS could end.

>>5331821
answering after lunch ( I take 2 hr lunch break so...)

So how successful have you found the treatments to be
Does it work better for those who suffer from mild x than severe x
How long does one have to follow the maintenance treatment - And after the treatment and maintenance should anyone come back for like a "check up"


I myself am obsessive compulsive (and a couple of the other conditions that tend be present in those with ocd)
It's not horrible right now but I wonder if one day something could happen to make it become worse

Ecstasy and the brain. Discuess.

hey op what do you think of shit like Hemi-sync

I listened to that for a while and it does produce an odd feeling, but certainly not the amazing results or impact it promises on the website. I stopped listening just because I didn't have time to devote every day, and eventually fell out of the habit.

is hemispherical synchronization and focus levels etc a bunch of malarkey? or is it effective way?

>>5332635
Hemi-spherical is BS. You need to be playing with the entire brain if you want to play with it, as it is an organ as a whole. Then again, if you have had a hemispherectomy, then it's fine, right? lol.
>>5331821
you can use your health insurance to see me, email me and I can give you the website of a great place to look into.
>>5332550
For responders, mild and severe symptoms are alleviated. I'd say about 5% of clients do not respond to treatment, but this is usually because they are taking meds behind my back.
I issue customized binaural beat tracks to everyone as they leave treatment, it serves as mini rTMS, but don't try it at home! These tracks are carefully calibrated to the EEG's of individuals who have undergone rTMS treatment.
>>5332550
>OCD
Anxiety will make it worse. Try to consciously be able to relax and take mental time outs whenever you have OCD fits.

>>Ask me anything.

Hey OP, I've been taking Omega-3 supplements for the past few weeks, since I've read that it's good for both the heart and the brain. Anything you can tell me about the hard evidence related to Omega-3 and its effects on the brain?

So OP, I'm thinking of making my own rTMS unit, should I do it? Or is the risk of seizures too high that I need a buddy?

HELLO I HAVE ANGER PROBLEMS WHAT DO YOU SUGGEST

>>5333629
POWERTHIRST
>>5333488
go for it! Playing with magnets is fun... just make sure you have the physics down. Also, use liquid coolant inside the coil or you will have to manually cool the coil with ice after every bust of stimulations. Good luck, sounds like a fun project!
Fyi, there are many tms machines in the works right now, so don't expect profit or anything.
>>5333422
it provides excellent nutrition is the short answer. nourish your body well and it will perform well. obviously if you're unfit and you take omega 3's it won't negate it..
Check out this article:
Morris MC. 2009. The role of nutrition in Alzheimer's disease: epidemiological evidence. Eur J Neur.
and references for your 'evidence'

>>5332623
medication cocktails are scary. If you have a doctor prescribing more than two meds to you, expect some horrible side effects and unexpected events. As you increase the number of medications/drugs being ingested, you increase the number of interaction with the brain, on an EXPONENTIAL scale.
X is fucking scary because it's a happy pill cocktail. I can't go into specifics because its a crapshoot of what a pill might contain. Basically, every time you take X, you risk your life. Get something more mild kid.

I'm skeptical. What is your level of education (ungrad, grad)? In what field?

>>5333928
see
>>5322228

Once again, I want to stay anon, so I'll tell you that my undergrad degree was in general biology.

Please, explain me where are located the feelings

Do you think it would ever be possible to scan the brain's physical molecular/atomic structure and then reconstruct it exactly, with the result of an effective copy of someone's ego?

What about digitizing someone's brain by slowly converting the wetware into cyberware? Basically replacing the neurons with an electronic counterpart that exactly copies the neuron it replaced.

Random image is unrelated.

>>5333928 here

>>5321967 seems to answer my question better
>>took me 4 years of study, and one year to figure this shit out.

This means you have a BSc in biology, but very probably not a master's, and certainly not a PhD.

Have your methods and their general results been published in a peer-reviewed journal?

>>5333882
Correct. "X" is whatever they happen to press into a pill. Pure MDMA however is safer than alcohol, and testing kits are available.

>>5322124
Tell me more about dominant alphas, please.

>>5334283
How often do you test your pills?
>>5334269
You can find plenty of papers on TMS. It is a new and alternative treatment, however, and these exact methods are not published in any peer reviewed articles becuase, well, this isn't research, this is application. Obviously if the FDA has approved TMS machines for use, there will be articles for them.
>Have your methods and their general results been published in a peer-reviewed journal?
I have my name on enough peer-reviewed journal articles.
>This means you have a BSc in biology, but very probably not a master's, and certainly not a PhD.
Draw your own conclusions, I'm not elucidating or trying to argue anything.
>>5334249
In the future. I'm talking about in the fucking far future. Our neurons have so many billions of interconnections that it is mind boggling. Then again, could be sooner then I think if we reconstruct the brain slice-by-slice, maybe 50 years. I don't know if we'll ever be able to induce the spark of life, so to speak, though. That will be the tricky part.
>digitizing
We don't have a supercomputer powerful enough yet to do what the brain does. Or even the technology to emulate a neuron. This may be possible when we can create self-replicating nanorobots, but even then, if we can ever make something along these lines it will be the greatest accomplishment man has ever had (in my opinion).
Also, stream of information -> consciousness and world awareness would be an insurmountable problem.

What does ECT do? does it "reset" the base brainwave? is it a more extreme version of TMS?

I'd love to get rid of my depression somehow, without medication. I've had it since I was 4, 16 years of feeling crap. If I had the money, I'd come see you OP.

>This may be possible when we can create self-replicating nanorobots, but even then, if we can ever make something along these lines it will be the greatest accomplishment man has ever had (in my opinion).
>Also, stream of information -> consciousness and world awareness would be an insurmountable problem.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transhumanism

>>5334213
psychiatrists say they originate from the limbic system. I like this theory.
>>5334421
when I type "dominant alpha" brainwaves, I mean that topographically speaking, alpha is pervasive across the entire cortex, and you don't see any beta or theta activity at all on the EEG. You can have different personalities for this type based on the power level of alpha frequency frontally vs. occipitally. if it is a strong pervasive wave, however, we say that brain energy is very low, and the brain is very efficient, and an individual really uses their prefrontal cortex (to the point that it completely mutes their limbic system, which is responsible for the emotion aspect of our personalities).
As such, these individuals are very conceptual, don't claim to feel emotion, but actually experience very deep, self-induced depression (due to circuitous self-defeating thought). They are potentially lazy because everything is "too easy" They often have major problems falling asleep becuase they can't shut off their brain.

I read what you said about I-dosers binaural beats but what about hemi-sync? isn't it clinically tested?

>>5334690
I meant to add that I believe we would lose our 'humanity' if we replaced the neuron.

>>5334746
Unrelated to my previous question: If any, what are some notable differerences in brain waves between men and women?

>>5334759
Hah. You can keep your humanity.

>>5334757
clinical trials are thought to be infallible.
Unfortunately, what really happens is: when a company contracts a third party to test their product, if the results are not favorable, the company will go investigate their product with a different third party - after all, they can't bear to publish negative papers about their product, right?

tripcode :(((((
my posts:
>>5334746
>>5334759
>>5334798

>>5334798

what about sound and light machines?

What would be my problem if I had an easy time falling asleep but a hard time staying awake? Even with 8 hours of sleep I fall asleep in class. It hasn't affected my grades terribly but I'd rather get rid of the problem if it's possible. Coffee doesn't work, more sleep doesn't work. The only thing I could think of to stay awake was sprinting to my classes and getting my heart rate up but even that stops having an effect around the 1 hour mark.

Sorry, tired atm and relaxin so i'll do more questions in a lil' bit.
>>5334973
sounds like you're stuck in theta.

>>5335050

Would that also be one of the reasons I keep going back to WoW? I understand willpower comes into play here and I'm not looking for excuses but I'm hoping that this could at the very least help me with my problems.

bampubloxu

OP, I haven't read a lot of your posts, but I've been very unhappy and depressed through most of my life. I am 26 years old, and have tried several medications, with a moderate level of success.

Is there any chance I could take a look into this treatment for psychotherapeutic purposes? Is there a way I could contact you for more info? Also, I'm not a total douche, so if you give me send me a message, I can actually talk. AIM is in the email field.

What's the quickest way to achieve theta-waves without one of those dreamachines?

Will we ever be able to manipulate our own dreams so cool shit can actually happen?

>>5335050
Hello, OP. I am a freshman in college.

I want to do something like you, roughly speaking. Essentially, for much of my life I've wanted to study the mind-body connection / biofeedback, that kinda deal, with particular interest in abnormal psych. I want to study psych from a scientific perspective, essentially. I may be articulating this poorly and I apologize, as I don't have any specific plans yet.

What was your major? Any advice to someone interested in your field, potentially? How many years of school have you had? Sorry if this has already been answered - I read about half of the thread, but I feared if I took the time to read the whole thing that you might have gotten bored and left.

How can I trick my brain into not making myself feel nervous before something or get rid of nerves all together?

Do people really use less then %10 of their brain power?

I'm gonna sound pseudo intellectual but I try to exercise my mind and shit. Don't know if it's working tho.

this shit's interesting...

bump

brainsblockz

is there any way to measure how smart someone is based on brainwaves and all that. or at the very least can you distinguish between highly intelligent people and stupid people. are there stupid people who are just plain stupid or is there always some underlying medical cause. is there any way to measure capacity for intelligence or potential for intelligence

come on F5 F5 F5 F5 F5

>>5336147
No, you use pretty much your entire brain.

The 10% stuff is just bullshit.

>>5336410
its all functional, its just ten percent for some analytical part of your brain or some bullshit

OBOT9000
I, for one, welcome ou

KEEP THE DREAM ALIVE

>>5337145
I refuse to let this thread die.

fight the powah

wait do threads get killed after a certain number of posts?

>>5337314
There are post limits, yes. Image limits, too.

>>5337773
and what might those limits be set to?

I'll bite...is there any way to have use TMS to directly stimulate the amygdala? Have you done it before/seen it done/heard of it being done?

Not sure what sort of accuracy or resolution TMS has to excite neurons beyond a certain point, but I figured it'd be the best bet for hitting the amygadalic sweet spot without the need for messy neurosurgery.

No, not in so literal a sense. They for-all-intents-and-purposes get killed at the "autosage" limit, which is when posting no longer bumps a thread.

Sorry guys, long day- I passed out.
>>5336147
False. We use 100% of our brain. This isn't to say that we know how to use our brain, however ;)
Lets see if this thread bumps. If not, Ill make a new one.

>>5335226
You go back to WoW because you've built relationships there. Its a world where despite how tired YOU are, the character always performs. But it's moreso just how the game is built - you work hard and you see immediate results, its the kind of positive reinforcement that we don't see in every day life (unless you're a stock broker, I guess). Simple psychiatry is going to tell us that if you give a simple outlet like this, then plugging in to get the pleasure from a level up, a new item, or a new accomplishment is going to be more common. funny if you think about it really.. the higher the level your character, the harder it is to "accomplish" something - you need to organise more, kill more monsters to lvl, whatever. Drug addiction follows similar lines (you need to use more to achieve the same high as last week). which is why people get sucked in.
>>5336091
Short of TMS/Neurofeedback? Use a mantra. I did this when I was younger. I adopted "fuck it" after I had the weirdest day of my life. Worked out pretty well for me and it got me through a lot that I would have shied away from before, simply becuase I willed myself to follow through.
>>5336039
Participate in undergraduate research, whatever you do kid. I got a general biology degree because, well, I couldn't justify specifying to anything specific when as an undergrad, you are still building informational foundation.
The one thing you HAVE to recognize, however, is that you need to look at issued from a multidisciplinary viewpoint. Bring physics into a biology question - try to answer a biology question using a chemical and economic concepts.

>>5335999
We dream during REM sleep - where we are half-conscious anyway. There is potential to become aware during REM sleep and start fucking around in your dream - honestly this can be done right now if you have a stimulus that doesn't wake you fully, but allows you to become aware that you are asleep. We don't have any machines to do this for us, but you can jerry-rig something pretty easily. I don't know if there would be a market for this, so I don't know if the technology would arrive.
We can manipulate the length of dreams pretty easily. Although science doesn't claim to know why we need sleep, it still can point out positive benefits and what occurs when you deprive yourself of sleep (ironically these benefits don't officially = why we need it? BS in my opinion). If you are an insomniac, as I am, and say you go without a full nights rest for a week, when you finally do get to sleep, and you have the time to get a full rest, you will enter and stay in REM sleep LONGER than if you have a good sleep schedule - this gives more potential for dreams you can remember.

>>5337947
No.. the amygdala is a pretty deep structure. Short of implanting an electrode and directly stimulating the amygdala, you won't be able to affect the amygdala like you can with neurosurgery.
TMS is reallly cool because it is being used nowadays to test cortical functional areas. If you have heard of the homunculus or cortical map, you might be curious as to how accurate it is, as well. With TMS you can OVER-stimulate one of these "funtional areas" to the point that neurons in the area enter longer refractory periods, effectively disrupting the function in the area. Overstimulate the optical cortex? You won't be able to see for a few minutes, at least. Overstimulate an area of the brain thought to be responsible for word recognition? You'll be beside yourself with how hard it is to read 3 letter words.
It's amazing for research. Finally we con confirm some assertions about the brain that lacked sufficient evidence before. :)

>>5321484
I practice void meditation and self-induced trances frequently. Any tips on how I could stop my endless stream of meaningless thoughts more effectively?

How do I cure my homosexual tendencies from the inside out? I don`t wanna brainwash myself either, I want a genuine reprogramming of my mind.

>>5336410
>intelligence
Intelligence is.. a funny concept for me. The way I look for at it, intelligence is the product of how well we can use our brains, combined with how efficient our brain's are at processing information.
If you give two different individuals the same information and ask them to remember it, then the brain that is more efficient at processing the information (the brain uses less energy/glucose to do the same tasks that a less efficient brain would need to do the same task) will be able to consolidate the information into memory with less effort. But the way of taking in and processing the information has two aspects-
1. brain energy
2. how we, as individuals, cope with how our brains process information

The second concept is the one we need to really conceptualize for a minute. Think of it this way: it doesn't matter how efficient our brain is when it really comes down to it. There are plenty of millionaires out there who have 'hot' brains - where they have to work FUCKING hard to understand information, but they DO- they work their asses off to understand something that someone with a very efficient brain can understand in a second. Do they have a higher IQ? No. But they work hard enough to make up for it. And I consider that intelligence.

>>5339287
Conversely, there are plenty of individuals with awesome brains that amount to nothing. Why? Everything is too easy to understand, so these people become 'bored' and less motivated. They don't follow through because, well, they could just do it tomorrow. Smart as fuck, and able to understand and create complicated concepts, but without the motivation, still zeroes. High IQ, but what can we say about intelligence here?

Of course, those individuals with very efficient brains (pervasive alpha) who are motivated as well can do things that those with less efficient brains can only dream of. It's a difference in potential, really.

It's something that TMS can change, which is REALLY interesting. If you're changing that baseline brainwave, you're changing information processing. Think of the possibilities.

>>5339287
So you believe that IQ can accurately measure human intelligence?

Concerta. Y/N?

Also, general tips on improving concentration.

>>5339200
You can't 'reprogram' the brain like that. If it is part of your personality that isn't involved in information processing, like homosexual tendencies, you need to work on it yourself or get counseling.
Also, stop visiting /b/ and that might help :p.
>>5339161
You are only perpetuating it with the trances, ironically. You need to try to take up a new activity, especially something that involves your hands. You need to engage and exercise your brain. Unfortunately, I can't be 100% sure of my advice without an EEG, please recognize that - I need a brain map to tell you with confidence. But from what little information I am given, you need to increase the power of your prefrontal cortex. Try whittling. Also, find ways of integrating those trances into activities, like reading.
>>5339337
Not accurately.
>>5335961
Don't sleep for a day.You'll be in fuckin deep theta.

>>5339374
>concerta
looks like a good enough medication...
>general concentration
take up a musical instrument, whittling, knitting, something new and novel that challenges you and your hands.
Sorry but to improve it, you need to work hard at it. Concentration is easier for some brains vs. others. If your brain makes it hard for you to understand information, the only way around it is spending more time on that information (short of changing how your brain takes in the information).

This thread is a good read.

I'll vote to archive it.

>>5339486
I'd vote to archive it.

you should do this on reddit's iama subreddit

http://reddit.com/r/iama

they'll eat it up.

can you give me superpowers

http://4chanarchive.org/
It's got two votes already. Do eeeeet.

Hey neuro, biophysicist here, and from what you're describing I'm tempted to believe that you are pursuing a very pseudoscientific treatment plan. Unless, of course, this research is a preliminary investigation, but I do suggest you compare any positives you get to a similar placebo.

If you're using a standard EEG, then my understanding is that you will be able to read only some global patterns in surface cortex firing, which will give you an indication of sleep patterns and global seizures (how do brits spell it, because spellcheck is telling me to do it this way?). However, you seem to be looking to treat a more general variety of disorders, and most of those will not show up conclusively on any EEG. TMG should be effective for ones that do show up, though, just like electroconvulsive therapy works for them (in this case, though, in a less dramatic, temporary manner). Though I'm not sure how you intend to shield the EEG electrodes when you apply TMG (and I'm not convinced you will see long-enough-term after effects unless you do something really unethical with your volunteers).

>>5339497
Thx. If so,

www.brooksideinstitute.com

I like these guys. Check em out.

>>5339564
Thirded.
thirdblox

>>5339569
First, if a placebo effect substantially changes an individual's life for the better, what is it's value?

Also, we don't target the disorder, we target the cause of the disorder. If someone has ADD, we don't give them stimulants, we change the brain so it doesn't need stimulants (baseline shift to alpha).

Also, the EEG is MUCH denser in information than you think. Changes as a result of TMS DO show up on EEG. If I didn't have the EEG data, I wouldn't believe it and I would dismiss it as pseudoscience, as well.

>>5339579
at four!
four
four..

>>5339615

I'm not sure, there may be a miscommunication here, but I'm not sure you understood what I'm talking about when I tell you to control or double-check against a placebo effect and ensure that the EEG is not simply picking up the TMS, rather than the TMS's effect on neuron firing.

First of all, I'm not sure if you're telling people that TMS will help them, because if you are then you shouldn't (it's illegal, since it's not a recognized treatment and hasn't been tested for effectiveness). If you're simply investigating the possibility that it might be therapeutic, then you have to make sure any results you ask of the test subjects are checked against results from placebo. Ideally, even in an informal preliminary test, you would have half your test subjects go through the exact same procedure, but never actually turn the TMS on (though that type of test would require prior ethics approval, but I assume this was approved by an ethics board already, right? What university or lab or you at?).

Now the brain contains a lot of free ions in moving water, so TMS will certainly show up on EEG while the device is on. The important thing is that you can actually differentiate between a real effect on the magnetic fields emitted as a result of neuron depolarization, or as an immediate side effect of TMS. I know TMS can paralyze cognitive function in some general areas of the brain near the surface, but whether with less powerful fields a real result will be measurable on a device as imprecise as EEG is questionable.

Also, EEG as those graphs you posted is presented presents an exceedingly poor amount of real data.

>>5339698

Also, EEG as those graphs you posted is presented presents an exceedingly poor amount of real data. Companies like Emotiv and the Japanese firm that's using EEGs to read real intention are using a less-precisely-set-up EEG to triangulate a known area of the brain and find a known signal in a sea of noise, a task that is computationally quite well-studied. The EEG data presented as you posted comes from a technician trying to place the electrodes very precisely to find an unknown or unusual signal in a sea of generally known data. In this case, though, there is little attempt at more advanced post-processing (even with digital EEGs) and no spatial processing (EVEN WITH DIGITAL EEGs). So I am very concerned that you might find yourself engaging in a form of 19th-century voodoo electroscience, and furthermore you might actually be willingly doing so by not checking results against the null or placebo.

>>5339698
You don't take an EEG while the TMS is occuring. That would just be silly.

You take EEG after about two weeks of treatment and a month of treatment. You measure the baseline brainwave frequencies. Longitudinal analysis demonstrates brainwave resonance with the treatment.

>It's illegal, since it's not a recognized treatment and hasn't been tested for effectiveness
TMS has been approved by the FDA for treatment of depression.

>>5339705
The original pic shows a pretty accurate representation of respective brain wave types. It's obviously not a multichannel real-time recording. Don't base your thoughts on the thread on a single picture post.

>>5339705
please understand that this is well researched. Check out pubmed if you care to.
Or you could keep bashing, as I have said before in this thread, it's good to be critical, but please don't be closeminded.

>>5339790
Me again.
Stupid trip. code.

>>5339792
We need a fifth to archive this, if only for my selfish purposes.
knowledgeblox

>>5340028
It's archived. Glad to be providing knowledge :D
I'll still do my best to answer questions asked!

>>5340081

Is it possible to shut down someone's respiratory system with TMS? You said you could shut down their occipital cortex and that's pretty scary.

Do you know of any studies done into the long term effectiveness of TMS? Or do you (or your company) perform follow-up studies on ex-patients?

From what i've learned about it the issue with TMS (and ECT) is that the effects on depression are fairly shortlived, does doing the treatment for a month have a longlasting effect?(let's say a year or something)

>>5321534
Have you ever heard of Newtypes, and can the idea of brainwave control of items become a reality in the next 20 years?

>>5340479
The concept of a Newtype is someone with mental abilities tuned to Space, like how Solder's brains shift to be attuned to battle, could that happen with people becoming attuned to say computer usage?

So other then those brain waves in the image at the top, would it be possible for you to set someone's brainwave to arbitrary patterns, like for instance square waves?

>>5340940
Maybe if you were a robot.

I did psychology for a year at undergrad level before changing, I watched a video where some sort of device was place around the head and from stimulating it you could stop somebody talking. It was mentioned that this could be used to improve cognitive abilities, for example you could put on this device and wear it and do a crossword or whatever very quickly, literally a thinking cap. Is this similar to what you do, or was that just all bs?

i guess this thread is dead. thanks again neuro.

>>5343009
Never give up.

Never surrender.

stubbornblox

sup guys, will answer more in a sec if wanted :D

>>5340940
square waves? no, no such thing in electrophysiology. The only square waves you ever see is when you are calibrating the EEG signal, and that's just a signal sent out from your amplification box.
>>5341076
I don't know the video, but yes, this is similar to what rTMS has the potential to do. If you overstimulate the right area, then you can stop the ability to form words.
>>5340503
I haven't heard of this term, BUT, when a professional athlete is doing his/her thing, he/she will enter into a meditative-like state (from the brainwave standpoint). With tms, you can move the baseline brainwave to resemble this (synchronous alpha baseline)
>>5340412
I think of the effects of TMS in terms of exponential scale.
Individuals see results in affect or mood within 4 or so days of treatment, but this will fall off rather quickly. Stimulate for two weeks and it gives a rough lifespan of 4-8 weeks until effects fall off. Stimulate for a month and you see effects for several months, if not years. As there is no real solid research on lifetime of the effects, I give binaural beat tracks to clients. These tracks ensure that for as long as the tracks are listened to, TMS effects will remain.

as far as binaural beats go, i know you gotta make your money, but is there any benefit a person could get listening to some they find online, or is there any way to know which ones will achieve something through trial and error? can they mess you up if you listen to the wrong ones? im quite a bit hazy on how they actually work

>>5344877
I have answered this.
>>5340186
I could find a way, I'm sure, but it is not possible when used at safe levels.

>>5339530
I may, this has been fun..

>>5321502
That takes all the fun out of masturbation. Brainwave fap is for the laziest of the lazy.

>>5347038
hahah, that is our civilization though... always looking for easier ways that require less effort :/

>>5334784
What about this?

Also, do males/females respond differently to your treatment with TMS?

Thx

>>5347956
There isn't any real difference in response, really. Not enough to be noticeable in the 100+ clients that have come through. Sure, there are studies in evoked response potential differences in pregnant and ovulating women, but as far as TMS goes, no.

Are there any items (besides meds) which are potentially hazardous to the brain's normal functioning such as cellphones, antennas or things like that)?

>>5348713
When it comes to outside influence on brain function you have to think of what has the potential to bridge the blood-brain layer. So we're talking more about electromagnetic (EM) fields and radiation more then anything else. Thing about EM fields is that they have direction (remember that right hand rule in physics class?), and wherever they travel, they induce current. Now the intensity of EM fields falls off according to the square of the distance from the source, so anything short of putting your head right next to a high current device is not going to cause any hurt or harm.
The same follows for radiation.
Unfortunately, low intensity radiation and EM fields over time will increase the chance for tumors (plenty of studies out there claim that there is an increased chance of having tumors on the same side of your head as you use your cellphone on).
Cellphones? Urban legend?
Yeah there is a chance they can fuck you up, but it's a small one. Use speakerphone or get one of those one ear headphone plugins with the mic in the wire that connects to your phone and you'll be fine. Also get a belt strap for your cellphones.. studies talk about phones making guys infertile.
My take on it? These studies have some validity to them.
Stuff other than cellphones?
Computers and televisions would cause the same thing if we put our heads next to them for every day for months, sure, but who's stupid enough to do that?
We don't really have anything else that comes that close to our heads. We good.

>>5349183
Me again. First thread I've used tripcode in.. ugh.

>>5349183
>>Computers and televisions would cause the same thing if we put our heads next to them for every day for months, sure, but who's stupid enough to do that?

Hm, I put my laptop on a table right next to my bed and of course I won't pull the plug over night. Very comfortable but maybe not such a great idea in the long run. :/

did you work for mk-ultra?

>>5349193


Have you ever taken detailed readings from people -as- they use drugs?

>>5349362
Nope, I haven't at all.

>>5349412
I haven't taken any EEG during the act of drug or medication ingestion, but I have taken plenty of EEG's of individuals who haven't been completely detoxified of meth, coke, alcohol, etc.

Their EEG's are different accordingly. EtOH? Slower brainwaves, usually a peak around 6Hz. Cocaine? Faster and disorganized brainwaves. You can tell what they are on based on their EEG's.

You can tell a lot from EEG's, like what kind of work ethic someone has, from their recording. At my first job, my Boss took my EEG. After reviewing it, he told me I was hired.

Any more? Sleeping soon. Lmk.

Keeping a good thread alive for three days.

I'm so proud of you, /r9k/. ;_;