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>>4423604
Don also purposely fed him Oysters and martinis to make him worse for the wear.

Episode 103 is in a two part structure, and the second part mirrors the first EXACTLY, which makes the second part seem REALLY claustrophobic and nightmarish.

There are hints toward Peggy's CONDITION throughout all of season one.

The birds in Shoot represent Betty's freedom, which is why she does to them what she does.

The episode where Don makes Roger throw up is called "Red in the face" which has several meanings: as in just having been slapped, being drunk, embarassed, and sick.

The episode where Freddy Pisses his pants has tons of references to Marilyn Monroe. Look at the background throughout the entire episode; you see tons of buxom blondes crying with Jackie O's. Couches are a big theme in that epiosode, 5 people are found lying on couches throughout it. This relates to freudian psychology, but also because MM was found dead on that couch.

Freddy is identified with Monroe throughout that episode. His code name at the speakasy is "mike moneybags", MM, and at the club, he ironically goes "here's to Monday Morning", which represents his firing from SC.

Let me think of some more.

>>4424926

thanks for this. i really need to go back and rewatch the first 2 seasons sometime

Episode 5, 5G, is a reference to the 5 grand Don pays his brother, and the apartment he meets him in.

The Hobo Code ends with the name on Don Draper's office door, which is the mark of a liar: a hobo code for "a dishonest man lives here". Don hates the beatnik hipsters because he says they "pretend to be vagrants," but in his flashback you see Don is a literal hobo, a vagrant.

Don's dad looks like Don in that episode, but the hobo sounds and talks like Don. Don is the hobo, but he's also like his father as the hobo marks him; a dishonest man.

The code also refers to the coded references to homosexuality sal drops toward the make up salesman.

When Don leaves the apartment, and the hipsters tell him he can't go out there because he just smoked pot, he says "no, you can't go out there" which is another example of this societal code, or shorthand, we use to classify people.

>>4424948
The commentary with Matt Weiner kicks ass.

>>4424977 The code also refers to the coded references to homosexuality sal drops toward the make up salesman.

I missed that and I guess that's why it struck me odd when that guy made a special effort to talk to Sal.

"Nixon vs. Kennedy"

Nixon is Don, Pete is Kennedy; obviously. When Pete confronts Don before entering Bert's office, you see JFK on the tv. Don criticizes Pete for thinking he deserves Don's job because he's "young, and his family's rich"

Don identifies with Nixon because Don literally made himself from nothing.

"The New Girl"

The title refers to how Peggy is reborn, becomes a "new girl" in this episode, after getting advice from Bobbie. Bobbie is also a new girl, Don's new mistress, especially in the scene where she meets Don's old mistress. Also, Jane starts as Don's secretary in this episode.

Pay attention to the colour of the dresses in this episode. Both Jane and Peggy wear a light spring blue dress, representing newness, but Joan, the old girl, wears a darker blue dress, representing experience, but also the past.

I just remembered another thing about "hobo code," that's the episode where Don realizes Midge loves her hipster neckbeard boyfriend. How? By looking at the developed polaroid. another "code"

>>4424996
They keep mentioning broadway and stuff, it's pretty subtle. "Is that from 32nd Street?"

"The Gold Violin"

The title comes from Ken's story, it represents an object that appears perfect and means something to someone, but isn't. The episode is about the value we place in objects.

"It was perfect in everyway, but it couldn't play music"

Sal sees Ken as perfect for him, but he's not gay.
Sal's marriage seems perfect, but he is gay and ignores his wife.
Don and Betty's marriage seems perfect, but it's clearly a nightmare to both of them, since Betty finds out Don is cheating in this episode.

Objects: Ken's lighter is important to Sal. Don's new car is important to Don, he won't let anyone eat, fuck or play in the cat. Which makes Betty throwing up in the car at the end AWESOME irony.

The painting is important to all the young workers, and Bert in the episode, and they all try to figure out what it means, what it signifies. And the final answer from Bert is sweet irony.

The scene where they throw away the trash at the picnic signifies how insignificant we view these objects after we no longer need them.

Everything in this episode is the meaning we place in one thing, and how important objects are to us.

Let me think of some more.

Damn, it should have been like this when The Sopranos was still on the tv. Great thread guys.

"The Mountain King" is filled with Catholic imagery. Don going into the sea at the end represents baptism, obviously, and being born again. This is a direct result of his tarot card reading.

The popsicle ad Peggy writes is the virgin Mary, and if you look closely at the ad, the mom has a halo. this is peggy's use of her catholic upbringing and how we view rituals as important to society, including the ritual of your mom breaking up popsicles.

It's behavious, not religion.

Betty bleeding is foreshadowing her pregnancy, but also a catholic symbol of Mary and fertility.

>>4425009
>Don criticizes Pete for thinking he deserves Don's job because he's "young, and his family's rich"

You can draw similarities between Pete and JFK all over the place. The Kennedy family made its' fortune off the illegal practice of bootlegging alcohol during Prohibition Era America. JFK wanted to invent himself as a politician, not as the son of rich bootleggers. Pete wants to invent invent himself as his own man by making a career in advertising rather than just being the son of rich Land Owners.

Maidenform is about reputation, and how others see us, and whether or not we live up to those standards.

Duck kicks out his dog because he can't bear to have him stare at him while he contemplates falling off the wagon.

Don makes his daughter leave while he's shaving because he can't bear to have her look at him like he's a hero, or a good person, because he feels like he's not. That's also why he leaves after he stands up like a war hero at the country club, his daughter looks up at him the exact same way, lovingly. It makes him feel terrible.

This episode is FULL of mirrors. When the camera pulls back at the end you see Don is the mirror and in real life, and he hates what he sees. It's in the compostion as the Playtex ad they make.

The entire Jackie/Marilyn ad is about how women want men to see them, and how all women are either a jackie or a marilyn. Peggy doesn't like it because she knows it's an oversimplification, and she's basically right when they can't figure out who she is. "Irene Dunn."

>>4425117
Hmm, I never noticed that.

In the episode where Sterling gives Joan the bird, it represents that he's trying to trap her -- not in the life she wants, but in the life he wants for her. Joan is the bird. The bird is in a cage. In basic literary analysis, a bird always represents freedom. So a bird in a cage always represents imprisonment. That's why she won't keep it. And if I recall correctly, she ended it with him that episode.

>>4425120
The entire Jackie/Marilyn campaign is about the Mother-Whore complex Freud talked about.

Throughout the episode, men stop seeing women as sexy when they found out they have children.

Betty's crush from the stables leaves as soon as he meets her children.

Don tells Betty not to wear the bikini because she's a mother, and he doesn't want "some 17 year old lifeguard" looking at her. Again, the way others see us.

Don twice is turned off by Bobbie, when she finds out she has a son, and then a daughter. It disgusts him, so he goes home.

Don ties up Bobbie because he can't stand her talking about his reputation as a womanizer. Don has worked hard to make himself into the perfect mysterious man, so the idea that he has a reputation, and not a good one, enrages him. And it's his fault.

As he leaves Bobbie tied up on the Bed, he says "I thought I told you to stop talking."

Which is why when his daughter goes "I won't talk, Daddy, I don't want you to cut yourself" and stares at him with those puppy dog eyes, he goes nuts inside.

>>4425158
And birds are an important theme in all of mad men. Don's nickname for betty is "birdie", and pete's nickname for trudy is "tweety"

Harry's name is "crane," which I think is some kind of stork, and his wife is pregnant.

Is there any significance to Sterling fucking around with those twins?

>>4425170
Also, the episode starts out with the women dressing up in their underwear, which has to do with how they want men to be perceives, but also how they are beneath the surface. All three woman have three different identities, with three different types of underwear, and Peggy doesn't fit because she's not a whore or a madonna, she's a new archetype: a career woman.

This montage is set to this song:

http://www.songmeanings.net/songs/view/3530822107858525096/

Which is about a woman being looked at and judged.

>>4425205
I think it just makes him realize he loves his wife and that he needs to stop fucking around. He's too old for that shit.

In Long Weekend, in response to the Kennedy jingle, Harry says “It’s catchy like it gets in your head and makes you want to blow your brains out”.

Cut immediately to a family photo of John, Jackie and way down at the bottom, John John. But mostly you see the two of them, the black and white, and to me it immediately drew up the image of them in the car after he was shot.

“You told me your mother died in childbirth. Mine did too. She was a prostitute. I don’t know what my father paid her but when she died they brought me to him and his wife. And when I was ten years old he died. He was a drunk who got kicked in the face by a horse. She buried him and took up with some other man. I was raised by those two sorry people.”

Great thread. Explain the episode where Don and Pete go to California, and Don disappears, and fucks that girl. I've always felt as if something had happened in that episode that was important -- I tried to catch it, but it went past me.

"Marriage of Figaro" ends with Don at the traintracks, which suggests suicide, but to Don, it's also a crossroads, a neutral zone between his two identities. He's stuck between two worlds, not sure where to go. He's miserable in both places. You see the train reflected in this dashboard

When he comes back, he buys Sally a Dog, which was a suggestion from Rachel.

The entire episode is about marriage, and how people view it as a fraud.

holy fuck, i havn't actually been watching mad men at all

>>4425332
Trains also represent the possibility of leaving to start a new life. Trains also tie into the hobo thing.

>>4425310
I hate that fucking episode. It's just two strange. But it is significant

The entire thing with the travelers and that girl is she represents happiness. Her name is "Joy," she's like a hallucination, or a dream. Don says "Who are you?" She replies "I'm Joy."

They represent hedonism and total freedom to him. They are all hobos, like Don, which is what he wanted, right? A life without consequences.

As he hangs out with them, the episode becomes more and more nightmarish, until it culminates with him seeing the one jet setter's children, and they're tired, miserable, and look awful. They're the consequence of this awful hedonistic lifestyle, this vagrancy, this disregard for others. They even look like Don's kids, but the kid has the same haircut the young Don.

Don realizes this lifestyle, the life he's been living, this affair he been carrying on, is the wrong path for him.

>>4425310
Don has lived a lie for nearly 12 years at this point and he comes to the realization that his life in New York isn't going as planned so he does the only thing he knows how to: pack up and leave.

Don is a vagrant, a wanderer, throughout the series. He has no contract with Sterling Cooper, leaving him the possibility of packing up and leaving at any point. When he is given the opportunity in California he jumps at it. More importantly after he meets the people he is living with he realizes that they too are all wanderers. It's important to note that the reason Don became a vagrant was because of the hobo he met as a boy (played by the same actor who played the Priest in The Sopranos oh by the way) and this was the only man he had ever met who truly had integrity and was an honest man. These people in California, though they were wanderers with no real home, were all just as fake as the hipsters in New York. They weren't real, they were just fake people searching for an imaginary never-ever land. At this point Don realizes he doesn't want to leave his family, something real, for these people who are completely built around these facades.

>>4425334

Seriously. The amount of layers to everything is incredible. I've watched the 1st season 4 times and I was still picking up stuff.

>>4425372
Interesting. Thanks. I always had the impression that Don's disappearance -- just the factor of his absence -- was important somehow as well. But I'm not sure how.

>>4425372
So then he calls a strange woman on the phone. And he identies himself as "Dick Whitman," his real identity.

All of a sudden, the camera pulls back, in the exact mirror image of the very first image in the series, which is Don from the back, his hand on the ouch, extended. It's also the logo for the series.

In this scene, the camera pulls back instead of forward, and his hand is on the wrong side.

It's the exact mirror of the new persona he was thinking of pursuing in this episode. It's his real self. It's being a man, and not running away, but taking responsibility. He has to confront the truth, which for now, is his old identity, and the one person on earth who knows it.

And that sets the stage for him learning from the tarot card reading and being baptized and reborn in the next episode.

The next shot is of Don's suitcase being delivered to his home in New York, but nobody's home. That represents Don's new york identity.

>this thread

Do you guys make anything of the rumor that the series is planned to end with Don committing suicide, and how that will tie into the opening credit sequence?

>>4425438
No. That won't happen. Too easy.

>>4425438
That would be cool.

But the nice thing about the opening is that it's ambiguous as to whether or not the man commits suicide or its the result of the entire office falling down.

The OP image represents baptism and rebirth and renewal, but also life's problems growing more and more. Don seems cool about drowning, though.

It also represents the duality of Don, and the mirror image in the water is distorted for a reason.

Don and Betty live in Ossining, aka Sing-Sing, aka the famous prison, aka Don and Betty live in a prison.

>>4425462
Season 2's image represented being in between two worlds, the train station is between home and work. It's between two identities. It's about how you make yourself into one thing; or another, and depending on where you go.

Sal, the secret gay guy, Season 1 Episode 1:

So we're supposed to believe that people are living one way and secretly thinking the exact opposite? That's ridiculous.

shit, really??

no titcow in this whole thread?

/tv/ i am disappoint

>>4425493

I think Christina Hendrick's massive titties provide a meaningful social commentary on the ongoing struggles of civilization against the metaphysical.

>>4425514
Titcow's boobs, and Sally's comments about them in the episode where she visits the office, represents the two different types of womanhood.

>>4424977
I love how Don completely owned them at the end.

>>4425529
I've never seen the show, what did she say about those massive, glorious tits?

>>4423604
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>>4424977
>When Don leaves the apartment, and the hipsters tell him he can't go out there because he just smoked pot, he says "no, you can't go out there"

Probably the greatest quote in the history of the series

Is there any symbolism behind the cigarettes and drinking?

>>4425438

thats not a rumor. stop trying to spread nonsense

>>4425578
Yeah, it was pretty fucking awesome

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2bLNkCqpuY
The Carousel, my favorite moment in the whole series, is there a deeper meaning behind it? I mean I love how it was done but I think there is something I'm missing from it. It's just a dazzling scene to watch.

>>4425610
The cigarettes point to the self-destructive lifestyle led by most of the characters. They live life how they want and don't care about tomorrow

The drinking is more about the reckless abandon and carelessness of the 1960s. It also tests the resolve of the men in the office. Everybody at Sterling Cooper drinks, but when Freddy pisses his pants its a sign of weakness. He couldn't hold his liquor showing he's a weak person, yet everyone else in the agency drinks and are able to do their job just fine

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zyAiC94e7TI

SO HOT

>>4425640
"Good luck at your next meeting."

That was fucking perfect.

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>>4425640
This scene alone won him that damn emmy.

Jesus, what a fucking wonderful scene.

>>4425648
It's also how the characters self-medicate.

But most of all, it's realistic to the times.

Mad Men

The most pessimistic show of all time.

>>4425640
I'm not one that gets easily moved by things, but damn this fucking pulled at my heart.
I've watched it over a dozen times and still love it.

>>4425536
"You have big ones. My mommy has big ones. And when I grow up, I'm gonna have big ones too"

It's not actually symbolism, I was just kidding, it was a funny moment, though.

>>4425524
I didn't make that up, it was in the video for the making of that ad, it was on AMC, but I can't find it now.

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>>4425721
hawt

What about poem that Don read at the end of the first episode in Season 2?

This is an amazing topic.

This right here is why Mad Men is my favorite show. So many layers. It's great in the way a classic novel is, almost, it just begs to be analyzed.

I really have to rewatch the series for a third time, but with the commentaries.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jnrnAfoYMA

Fucking. Tits.

comments made me lol

>>4425750
It's from the book Don mails the real Mrs. Draper, which he sees the hipster reading in the bar.

I think it's about how Don doesn't feel like himself. He sees his life at a distance, but he keeps scratching at the surface, trying to get at it.

"I wonder, what does he think of that?
I mean, what do I?"

Also, in regards to the opening title, apparently they had originally planned in the pilot to have someone commit suicide and show then jumping out a window and have it look like the opening title. I think it was Harry actually.

I can't remember where I heard this though, some special features on the DVDs probably.

>>4425838
Yeah, I read that too. It should have been either Dale or Dick, though.

>>4425613
It is too a rumor, you fucking gigglestick. I've seen it in multiple places. I didn't make it up. It may very well be nonsense. Just because it's nonsense doesn't mean it's not a rumor.

"The Inheritance" is all about growing up. There's tons of themes of regressions, children acting as adults, and adults acting like children in this episode.

Harry is dressed like a baby, with that bonnet at the baby shower.

Betty's dad think Betty is his wife and gropes her.

Betty plays house with a child, glen. She even finds him in a playhouse.

Glen dresses like don, or rather, is dressed up like Don by Betty. He says he wants top save her.

By calling Helen Bishop and sending Glen home, she grows up and acts like an adult.

Betty's dad is infantilized after his stroke. He egts treated like a big baby.

Betty realizes she is a orphan, and this terrifies her. She doesn't want to grow up.

Etc, etc, etc.

>>4425874
Cool sage, bro, made your rumour really believable.

Freddy Rumsen, the war hero pissing himself from being drunk is a parallel to Don pissing himself with fear in Korea, and one of the reasons Don is so pissed off at Roger in "Red in the Face." Roger pretends he wasn't scared during the war, but Don knows that's probably not true.

>>4425211
Also, the episode ends with Pete gazing at Peggy, who's all dolled up at the bar. He's stares at her as if to say, "this isn't you. stop trying to pretend you're someone you're not." He's dissapointed in her.

>>4425897
Google it, you piece of shit.

>>4425640
This one's pretty simple. It's Don realizing and affirming that he loves his family and that he wants to be with them. He longs to be back there.

But the origins of this scene are from the conversation he has with Harry about the photographs he took in college.

Also, this is something I've noticed myself but when Joan gets raped, the camera switches to a POV shot of her just staring at the couch, taking it. Rape is really like a form of sexual harassment. In the pilot, when Peggy goes to the gynecologist, everything he says is like sexual harassment by todays standards and she does the same thing, look at something and just take it, there's even a POV shot. Just a parallel I noticed between two scenes, but they don't really have any other meaning I guess.

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>>4425970
It's also the first time Peggy is penetrated; she's a virgin.

It has the exact same sound effect, too.

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>>4425994
I was just thinking the same thing.

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This thread is amazing.

The episode where Don goes to California is full of Alice in Wonderland references. the entire episode is like a dream. Characters appear and disappear out of nowhere.

In the first scene with Roger, Jane says she thinks her time with him is a like a mushroom dream. Magic mushrooms?

"In Chapter 5, “Advice from a Caterpillar,” Alice is asked by a hookah smoking Caterpillar sitting on a mushroom who she is. Alice replies, “I--I hardly know, sir, just at present-- at least I know who I WAS when I got up this morning, but I think I must have been changed several times since then.” This answer is a longer version of the same one that Don Draper will give when similarly questioned later.

The Caterpillar has Alice recite "You are old, Father William,” which contains the verse:

You are old, Father William,' the young man said,
And your hair has become very white;
And yet you incessantly stand on your head
Do you think, at your age, it is right?

Alice ends up eating some of the mushroom and grows to immense size. This tracks with the hotel room discussion regarding Jane growing older emotionally to catch up with Roger. The scene also foreshadows a similar dream-like relationship that is paralleled in Don’s storyline involving a different “Father William.” In addition to Alice in Wonderland, "The Jet Set" also makes a pointed reference to The Sound and The Fury, written by another “William,” William Faulkner."

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What the fuck?
Really? You're going to spam the best/onoy good thread we've had in weeks, just because you don't like this show?
Fuck you kid, just because there aren't any explosions or lazers or Summer Glau, that doesn't give you thr right to ruin a perfetly good thread. Hide it if you don't like it, you little shit.

>>4426049
The "doctor" who tries to drug Don is also tied to the idea of drugs and hallucinating.

When they start to play that game where they have to name places, they use many of the same cities that were going to be bombed with the nuclear missile at the jet convention. This ties their hedonistic lifestyle with death and destruction.

When Don wakes up before he calls Anna Draper, he is by a body of water, like Alice after waking up.

And the jet setters are nowhere in sight. He's snapped out of his dream.

>>4426049
"Don makes a phone call to someone from his previous life as Dick Whitman. After identifying himself as Whitman, he sets up a meeting. Don/Dick literally and figuratively borrows a page from The Sound and The Fury when he tears out the last page of that book to write down the address of the person he plans to visit.

The final page of The Sound and the Fury describes how one of the main characters, revolting against a world that, for him, has been turned on its ear, is calmed down by the illusion of a perceived return to normality. The last shot of "The Jet Set" shot shows Don’s suitcase being left at his front door. He is not there with it nor does Betty open the door to take it in.

Don/Dick's next journey would seem an attempt on his part to return to normality. However, unlike the title of the Faulkner book, and, with apologies to yet another William, William Shakespeare, from whose Macbeth that book's title is taken, this journey may signify a great deal."

Before the dinner party where Betty serves Heineken, Betty repetedly asks Don to fix a chair in the dining room. Don never does, despite promising to do so several times.

The chair represents their marriage.

While preparing for the party, Betty notices the chair has gotten wobblier, and smashes the chair into pieces as her children watch.

At the party where Don embarasses her (even though she's actually mad about Don's affair with Barret) she's the one with the different chair. And since there's odd numbers, she's the odd one out. This adds to her embarassment. It's a subtle detail, but it's like she's lying in the bed Don made.

After she kicks Don out and he goes to California, what does he do in California? He fixes Anna's chair!

And Anna lets Betty take a shower after he comes in which Betty did not let Don do in "The Inheritance." Betty kicks Don out of the houes. Anna lets Don come in.

Man, this thread just got a WHOLE lot better.

who let the nigs in?

>>4426146
source?

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>>4426220
lrn2imagebomb faggot, you're supposed to sage. HURR DERP

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Speaking of black people, in the episode where Don and Peggy are discussing Marilyn's death with the black elevator operator, and they virtually ignore him, he says "Some people just hide in plain sight"

I thought that was a good line.

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Well, now I want to watch this show.

Shit, I really want to fuck a black chick now...

god damn this thread is win I came so hard!

>>4426429 dressed

I came

i know how you feel

Cool story, bro.

>>4426471
great, now my dick hurts.

DERP

What about Don and foreign films?

good thread guys. i'm still watching season 1 episode 10 and i don't want to spoil myself so i stopped at the hobo code reply. hobo code probab is my favorite ep so far.

>>4426857
I think it just shows that Don's a curious guy, and he uses is a a means of escape from work. At the beginning of the season, he's completely bored at work, bored at home, just bored. He's goofing off.

This is just a theory, but does anyone here think Ken is a secret fag?

1. He's single (and hasn't been shown to have a girlfriend yet)
2. He's vocally homophobic
3. He's very artistic and creative
4. He has a kinship toward Sal
5. He's always rather obviously chasing after girls, unsuccesfully
6. He was making broadway references to Sal in "The Gold Violin"

Sal is a cool fag.

>>4426879
I think you're completely wrong if you're suggesting they movies he's watching have no metaphorical meaning in the show, and no deeper meaning to Don and his life. Absolutely they must, or they would not even have been included in the show. This is not a show that would make a major point out of something that had no meaning other than to show that he is curious. I bet if we found out what the movies are and what they're about, and then think about them in the context of the episodes in which they appear, they have great meaning. Unfortunately, I have no idea what movies he was watching or what they might have been about.

>>4427060
I only recall one movie he watched, and Matt Weiner wouldn't say the title of it for some reason. I really don't think it matters.

>>4427060
I wouldn't mind trying to look into this.

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>>4427102
Let us know what you find.

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>>4426928
Are you implying that being creative makes someone gay?

>>4427111
Thread was already archived on Wikipedia, minus the negro spam.

>>4427143
I definitely will. I'll check it out after work.

>>4426928 He's always rather obviously chasing after girls, unsuccesfully

Nah, he just struck out a few times. He doesn't like the sausage like Sal.

The foreign film Don is watching is a series of still images set to narration, and it has a scene with a hand up to a window: which connects it to the wheel and the MIRV slide show presentation in "The Jet Set."

The image of the hand up to the window recalls Harry's speech to Don about the photos he took in college. The inspiration for it was cave paintings, but Harry saw them as someone from another time reaching out, as if through a window. Or like, as Don puts it in episode 12, "I see my life from afar, I keep scratching at it, trying to get in"

This speech Harry gave inspired his pitch in "The Wheel"

>>4427230
How and where?

>>4427238
I bet you can find more stuff than I could... nobody seems to know the name of that damn movie.

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>>4427198
Just a theory, bro.

As for the foreign film, it looks like some people at some other places have narrowed the possibilities down to "Last Year At Marienbad" and "Hiroshima Mon Amour"

On 'Last Year At Marienbad from IMDB:
The film is about the dream of a man in love with an inaccessible woman. But the dream is also a nightmare. He comes to take her away, but she does not, or does not want to, remember him. When he seems to have finally reached her, she has moved into another time, into another memory. As he renews his efforts to convince her, new nightmares arise. He is not even sure of loving her, or even if it was she who was or the object of his love. The film ends with his taking her in the nightuntil the next dream.

Marienbad is a love story, although not a 'story' in the conventional narrative sense, since the fragmented images cannot be scanned chronologically. The "story" is not told rather it is described using a juxtaposition of physical images, through memories and associations, projected through a space-time continuum, which destroys both linear chronology and fixity. Resnais built a captivating puzzle-like film, a labyrinth, which at time resembles the optical illusions of Escher or the surreal world of Magritte.

On "Hiroshima, Mon Amour" from Wikipedia:

Hiroshima Mon Amour concerns the experiences of a French actress (Emmanuelle Riva), referred to as Elle (she), who performs the role of a nurse in a film being shot in post-war Hiroshima. She meets a Japanese architect (Eiji Okada), referred to as Lui (him) and, separated from their spouses, they become lovers. The early part of the film recounts, in the style of a documentary, but narrated by the so far completely unidentified characters, the effects of the Hiroshima bomb on August 6, 1945, in particular the loss of hair and the complete anonymity of the remains of some victims. The man had been conscripted into the Japanese army, and his family were in Hiroshima on that day.

Using flashbacks intercut into the love story set in 1959 — the couple's meetings in hotel rooms and restaurants — the woman relates for the first time her experiences during World War II in Nevers, where she was involved with a young German soldier during the German occupation. She suffered the humiliation of women who had colluded with the enemy, a severe almost bald haircut, before leaving for Paris, her hair regrown, and her anonymity regained. He urges her to stay in Hiroshima, but the situation is untenable.

Episode 3, the benefactor, is all about the things married people do for each other.

bobbie and jimmy protect each other, with bobie signalling to jimmy when he can aplogize. Jimmy thinks it's because she got more money from Don.

Don enlists Betty to charm Jimmy so he's more receptive to apoligize to the Utz people.

The Utz people, husband and wife, help each other through the uncomfortable dinner.

Betty repairs Don's watch and has it monogrammed.

Tara is teaching Arthur to ride horses, and Arhtur is learning for her.

When Harry finds out he makes less money than Ken, he calls his wife for advice, and she lets him know what to do about it. Thanks to her, he gets a raise; but the raise is for her and the baby.

In the car heading home, Betty begins to cry. She says she’s happy that Don included her in his life. “We make a great team” she says, and cuddles up as Roses and Lollipops plays on the radio.

The lines of narration we hear over the images are from a Villon poem. Translated to English, they are:

The queen white as a lily
Who sang with a siren's voice,
Big-footed Bertha, Beatrice, Alice,
Haremburgis who held Maine
And Jeanne the good maid of Lorraine
Whom the English bumt at Rouen, where,
Where are they, sovereign Virgin?
But where are the snows of yesteryear?

Prince, don't ask me in a week
or in a year what place they are;
I can only give you this refrain:
Where are the snows of yesteryear?

>>4427501
This episode is also about sexual power. Don and Bobbie play a game of cat and mouse over how to control each other.

Bobbie gives Don a handjob in the car; the same car Betty cries in at the end.

Don WASHSES HIS HANDS, like Pontius Pilate or something, when he comes home. He clearly feels guilty.

Then, how does Don get Jimmy to aplogize to the Utz's? He sticks his hand up her dress and does... something, but he clearly hurts Bobbie. Maybe he scratched her vagina. Maybe he pulled on it or something, but it's a mirror of her giving him a handjob in the car.

Then, what does Don do when he gets back to the table? He wipes her wet cunt juice on a tablecloth, mirroring the washing of his hands.

This show kills me.

>>4427505
>>4427495
>>4427485

Nice! I'll have to go back and rewatch that episode, but the images he sees are of the hand on a window, a cliff, a statue, and a primitive child's drawing, which makes me think of Harry's speech about cave drawings again, but also Sally's valentine in Episode 201, and the hobo code for some reason.

>>4427625
Also in that episode, one of the characters -- I forget which, was talking about how he had been messing around with photography, and had done an image of a handprint on glass. So that tied in with that image being shown in the film.

>>4425056

>The scene where they throw away the trash at the picnic signifies how insignificant we view these objects after we no longer need them.

No, it signifies how in the 60s people just didn't care about littering. Note how Don actually throws his can of beer after finishing it.

It's nice people are being serious about Mad Men, but there's being serious then there's being over the top.

>>4427766
It's both.

http://www.amctv.com/videos/mad-men/

-Inside Season 2- Inside The Gold Violin

Matt Weiner confirms this.

>>4425372

can't be bothered to see if it's been mentioned, but in The Jet Set Don sees a blond and thinks it's Betty and for one of the shots of her walking away it is actually January Jones.

>>4427839
Also, they're discussing ads for disposable diapers, which was new at the time, in the the office.

Another idea in the theme of the importance we place in objects, and in garbage.

objects-value=garbage.

In "The New Girl," Don is identified with Peggy not onlt through their situations, but also from the way they're shot.

You see both of them in a scene where they're revealed from their feet, and the camera trucks (pans?) up, slowly revealing who it is, until you see their face.

And both characters have a shot where their sitting isolated in a room, the camera is in the next room over and they're framed from a doorway, or a window. In other words, they're shot through the opening, The angle is identical.

Of course, their stories are parallel in that episode. Don is in trouble, he helps Peggy. Peggy's in trouble, Don helps her. And the advice they give is to "forget about it"

Sorry if it seems we're only discussing Season Two; it's fresher in my mind. I haven't watch season one in a while, but I just finished rewatching Season 2 with commentary by Matt Weiner. He's the origin of a lot of this, but a surprising amount of this is original content. A lot of stuff I never noticed before. This is fun.

>this thread, this fucking thread

>>4426283

If I recall in the elevator it's just the black elevator operator, Don and Peggy, so to an extent all of them are 'hiding in plain sight' - Don, because his identity is based on a lie, Peggy because she has hidden her motherhood from everyone (including herself) and the black elevator operator because black service people were generally ignored, and seen as only there to perform a service.

>>4426857

Weiner mentioned in an interview Don watching foreign films and talking to those hot rod guys shows how interested he is in culture, and how this helps him creatively. He's open to new culture when it feeds directly to his own ego or personality, but when it challenges these (as in his resistance to the young ad men in the first ep of season 1) he is opposed to it. He's very selfish and hypocritical in this way.

>>4427485
>>4427495

I've seen both these and it's definitely definitely not Last Year at Marienbad. I'm very sure it isn't Hiroshima Mon Amour either, but I'm certain it isn't Last Year at Marienbad.

>>4427505
I just rewatched the foreign film segment, and curiously the line:
>And Jeanne the good maid of Lorraine

Jeanne is replaced with 'Joan' read into that what you will.

Archive!

>>4427505
This reminds me of the poem Don reads in the first episode.

"Where are the snows of yesteryear"

"Snows and skies of laughter are alwaus diminishing"

>>4428178

how?

>>4428327
4chanarchive.com, go to request interface, type in 4423604 select /tv/ and type the capthca

>>4428334

Thanks for your request.
It has been added to our database and the thread will be archived as soon as enough request for that thread have been made.
This thread has been requested 5 times now.

Congrats, your request has just triggered the archival process for thread 4423604

Let's keep it going.

The scene where Betty looks at the painting of her dead mother in "The Inheritance" is a reference to a film noir Hitchcock made called Rebecca, where a detective falls in love with a dead woman after he sees a painting of her. He becomes obsessed with her.

Betty similarly pines for her dead mother, and hates her replacement.

Archive eh? Best post with my trip so I can be immortalized forever.

>>4428459
Betty confiding in her brother is a parallel to Pete confiding in his brother in that episode, too.

One thing we have to understand about Mad Men is that in almost every episode characters parallel others, especially the foursome of Don, Betty, Pete and Peggy.

>>4428459
I find this one questionable.

mods won't approve of this, watch

stupid pretentious mad men fans think this is archive-worthy LOLOL

>>4428535
The only reason mods won't approve of this is because of the naked black girl posts.

>>4425120
I saw the scene of Duck abandoning the dog a bit different. The dog represents a normal, family life that Duck lost, due to his own faults as a human being. At one point he tells his children they need Chauncey (the dog) because he will be something constant in their lives. He's forced to abandon Chauncey, however, because he cannot look at him without being reminded of the family he lost... of how he lost everything.

I love Duck's character. I also love how Don is only a few shades away from turning into Duck at any moment. Duck's been soured through experiences in life. He was a drunk, cheated on his wife, embarrassed himself into being let go/forced to resign from his job in London, lost most of possession and money to his wife, doesn't get to see his kids, and falls of the wagon, once again embarrassing himself at work. I really hope Duck gets to stay around for season 3. When Don started to get a big boring (the affair with Bobbie Barrett), I started to look forward to more of Duck.

>>4428609
Which is their fault, really.

>>4428609
4chanarchive mods are different than 4chan mods. They're independent websites.

browsing this thread has caused me to desire to watch this show

WHERE CAN I WATCH THIS SHOW?
streaming?
high quality?

thank you

>>4428486
You're not the real Scar.

>>4428824
watch.ctv.ca, and if your cable or satellite has on demand, the seasons are on there for free I think.

So, what have we learned here today, folks?

>>4428845
There's no such thing, of course, as an old-fashioned gay guy. They're the most decadent people.

>>4428838
The video you are trying to watch is not available in your region.

>>4428902
Oh, how the tables turn. I think some episodes are available for free on itunes.

Why not torrent? Or rent the DVDs?

>>4428921
I can torrent, of course. But I was hoping to jump in. I'm in an area where I can't get very fast internet, so my DSL brings in a 350mb episode in about an hour ten. Takes a while. Especially if I get into it and want to watch several episodes.

>>4428963
I think some full episodes are on AMC or Hulu.

I'm gonna post this every day until the season 3 premiere, in 2 days. You have my word anons.

Discuss Mad Men ITT.

Don't forget, January Jones aka Betty Draper will be on Jimmy Fallon tonight at 12:35.

>>4429005
cept you didn't post it. gtfo of here. don't try to take credit for this.

>>4429095
Actually I made the thread earlier today, it already died. It was very slow today, and mostly negative. Then this thread appeared and made my day.

>>4429165
so again. you had nothing to do with this thread. and again. don't try to take credit for it. that's all I'm saying. nobody likes your threads because they reek of repetitious douchery.

>>4429194
Just trying to get the word out, bro.

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You are now aware that Don Draper looks like Hank Azaria fucked Steve Carell.

>>4429270
Not at all.

>>4429270

What? No. You crazy.

You guys trying to get this archived? Just go look at the /tv/ archives. If it isn't some stupid EPIC WIN xD thread it's not getting approved.

>>4429455

Thread's already been archived bro.

>>4429484
Needs to be approved

it won't be cuz mods are gay

>>4429455
>>4429484
>>4429498
/tv/ is weird when it comes to archiving threads.

>>4429503
how so?