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heres logo.

fiero with a bodykit

Damn it, know the badge but brain isn't working.

Is that the new SRT4?

Eastern bloc of some description.

>>862044
Some kind of weird dodge stratus.

CHINESE NEON

Adidas made a car?

Judging by the wheel logos, I want to say Abarth, or Autobianchi?

>>862069

> Autobianchi

winrar

Nope. Logo is similar but not the same.

There hasn't been an Autobianchi since 1989 either.

BUMP this shit, 'cause I really want to know.

>>862064
lol

I was almost ready to place my bet on Izhmash (a.k.a. IZH) but apparently op's car isn't it.

bump
im still wondering what this freakin is

nope, not a chrysler neon

i can has plymouth nyan?

it's a lotus-proton

>>862528

forgot mah namefaggotry

Get the logo. I think I can identify it if you show me a clear pic of it.

YOU FUCKING TROLL! WTF!? MAN IT"S THE GOD DAMN ADIDAS LOGO!

I posted a pic of it earlier; Here's the original (unaltered) pic of the logo (the first one was brighter).

...And NO, it's not adidas, and it's not rotated or anything.

That's a clear of a pic as I got... it's dark, and that's all my phone can do.

If this helps -- it has a 3-cyl gas engine, with a few GM components on it (although it DOESN'T have the GM-style climate controls)

some kind of weird geo metro

prefect?

That's autobinachi, cheapo italian commuter cars. Thank you GT4

>>862747
word

>>862747
No, no it's not; and that was already pointed out. Autobianchi hasn't made a car since the early 90s, and that wasn't one of them..

Seems like this is a mid-to-late 90s car to me. Doesn't look like any autobianchi; possibly a GM car.

again, there are NO identifying markings apparent -- no VIN number, no stickers inside door, no manual, no nothing... I suppose if I knew where to look for any sort of marking, it would be easier.

http://www.cartype.com/

>>862046
bullshit. you took you camera, and took a picture of your shoe, and renamed the file so we think its a car logo.

Its a goddamn adidas shoe.

wat is autobronchitis alex

i'm guessing talbot or matra.

>>862806
Did you not see the THREE pics I posted that had the logo in them? It's on the hubcap of the first pic, and the 2nd is an enlarged and brightened version of the third logo picture.

It's RHD, which severely limits the number of countries it could've come from: blue countries in this image.

It's not a Geely with the badge upside down? At the same time, it looks a bit Daewoo Lanos-ish or possibly Hyundai Elantra.

What are the makers' names on electrical and fueling bits under the bonnet?

Could it be a prototype/development mule or something?

>>863082
RHD hardly limits the amount of companys that make, and sell RHD cars. Just because there's only a handful of backwards countrys that drive on the wrong side of the road, doesnt' mean automakers don't make cars for them.

(in b4 RHD, the imperial measurement system of the automotive world)

Work harder!! Wait basement lab?? Why dont you ask the guy that put it in the basement?

some sort of weird neon.

>>863497
bump

I've seen the car in the lab and can give some engine details. It's a 3 cyilinder with a dry sump oil system. It also doesn't appear to be harboring a cam in the cylinder head, it's gotta be ohv or sohc, but definitely not dohc. The only identifying logo on the whole car is the GM sticker on it's MAF.

>>862046
believe it or not that logo is also used by the America furniture company, i work in a furniture warehouse and i see it all the time but rotated so it make an "A". However my google skills are weak and i cant find a website to back my theory. If interested, they call themselves america furniture, but all the boxes say made in Malaysia, quite deceiving

I has to have the 1.0 3 cyl that they used in the metro, thats the only 3cyl that chevy/suzuki used

>>864208
made by suzuki i believe. came from the swift.

Firstly, what country are the car and OP in?

Second, what does the license plate area look like? Does it look like it was made for a Euro sized plate? (Looking at the front bumper i'm guessing this is the case, therefore the car is proberly from a RHD Euro country)

>>862044
This is a decent thread. Hooray for /o/.

ITS A BAT MOBILE

>>864208
Not the only 3-cylinder GM engine.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GM_Family_0_engine

AFAIK it only appeared in the Opel/Vauxhall Corsa

Is the speedo in MPH or km/h? Never seen anything like it in the UK/Ireland though so the former is very unlikely...

I spy a Toro Workman in that "lab" squared in red.

And some google fu turned up that they (Toro and subsidiary Pope) sell in three RHD countries:

Australia
UK
Japan

For what it's worth.. also, said Workman is actually LHD. So that's kinda odd.

Look for ECE country codes on the glass, headlamps and other parts:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECE_Regulations#List_of_participating_countries

It'll be an "E" followed by one of those numbers in a circle. Hopefully the glass or whatever isn't manufactured too far away from the car. Also, the glass manufacturer may be printed near this on the windows.

Also, pic of the rear of the car or interior?

A lot of JDM models use specific badges for each models (Toyota still do this, Mazda, Daihatsu and Nissan used to do this) but I've never seen such a lame badge design before.

If it's an auto or has aircon it's a lot less likely to be European.

Easy way to tell if it's Japanese is to look at the radio - if the FM band goes from 76-90 MHz instead of 87-108 it's Japanese... though you'll need power for that...

moar clues plz

There's a VIN somewhere. Try popping the hood and looking on the firewall.

call off the search lads, I have the answer for OP.

Its an Autozam Revue.

A what?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autozam_Revue

Also known as a Mazda 121 over here in the UK, but I suspect this is an original Autozam badged one.

Its pretty rare, so I'd get it working and rolling around i style with it.

Have fun!

No its not.

>>864347
I don't think so, Tim.

damnation! so close!

maybe a chinese copy like the CheryQQ and others?

Well, I think it looks like a Plymouth Neon or Breeze.

Although, I think the logo might be some odd Mercury logo.

OP needs to post more pics.

>>864347

Here's Mazda 121/Revue and Autozam badge. Autozam branded models looked identical, just with the Autozam badge on the grille. Enjoy your failure.

I also question your perception of size - the 121/Revue is a very small saloon. The car pictured is at least a C-segment size ("compact" for amerifags).

>>864457
>Plymouth Neon
it's not a neon, even i want to leave it 'at that' but there are only 3 neon 4door styles(all of which have been posted itt) and OPs isn't it. (also the plymouth, chrysler, and dodge nyans are all the same, none of them have the turn signals placed on the front end like that)

Hyundais answer to the De Lorean.
awesome.

>>864476
Only RHD Neons were sold as Chryslers AFAIK. But the body panel joins etc. just don't match up anyway.

The indicator repeater on the wing could suggest it was designed for the Western European market or maybe Australia/NZ (not sure what their standards are regarding that) - poorfag countries (also the US lol) don't seem to care so much about such safety features. However, a lot of modern Chinese and Indian cars seem to have them anyway...

>>864255
There's also a GM Ev1 back there. (no batteries, and motor is sitting in trunk)

To answer some questions, the speedo is in kpH, but I (and this car) are in the US. Maybe I'll make another trip down there, with a better camera and a flashlight.

Oh, and the Autozam looks close, but not quite...

>>864496
Here's a crappy cameraphone picture.

It's a Autobianchi/Autozam hybrid.

>>864496
An EV1, srsly? What state? And here I thought they nuked all the EV1s except for those that may still exist in a museum. It's like some fucked up secret CIA Auto-lab thing..

Also
>>864498
Lol Durango. It IS some fucked up CIA Auto-Lab thing.

>>864508
Srsly, an Ev1. It's because GM nuked all but ~40, which they donated to museums, and colleges.
(this is a basement lab at my uni; not tellin where)

There's other cool stuff in this lab too, like a mustang dyno, a fully gutted ford escape hybrid, a lead acid battery-powered F1 car, and an emissions lab.

Maybe it's a prototype or something that never went into production?

OP: srsly, try and get as many pics as you can. See if you can find a door tag, or better yet, a catylist tag under the hood, or in the trunk(usually under the carpet by the spare tire well)*anything* and more pictures would always help(pics of the interior, cluster, and radio/climant control stack).


C'MON /O/, TO THE MYSTERY MACHINE!

Rebadged Daewoo Lanos

Ignore the front for now, but look at the rest of the car - windscreen, the doors, join between A pillar and front wings - everything seems to match up. Also: the Suzuki 3-pot.

Some sort of prototype for a Euro-ized Chevy Metro? Nothing like it was sold here (Wikipedia Suzuki Cultus page is fucked up BTW, this car shares no physical resemblance to the Suzuki Cultus/Baleno of that era).

>>864515
Oh, and automotive engineering lab..that was my second guess. Kinda. <_< But a Mustang on a Dyno must be a dime a dozen because we have an 03 GT Fail on a dyno as well. 4000 miles of dynoing and it's already a rat POS. When I got a chance to drive it, the prof never told me when the dyno wheel was unlocked..

Lotsa whining and loud cracks before he came running out of the test cell. They're called radios idiot, handsignals don't do shit when I DON'T know WHAT you're doing with the flapping bird signal..

God I lol'd so hard after that 'lecture'. This is why you don't let an Aviation Mech student on an auto dyno. It's that, or they've made Aircraft Engine Dynos idiot proof... But digression aside, that's sad that they have an EV1 just rotting there covered in dust.

Such is the destiny of the car that should have never been as said by GM.

>>864534
Now that this thread has become somewhat of a success, I don't think he's going to tell us until this thing goes to page 7 or so. He's sitting on a lolcow right now.

>>864541
This is very likely. The Lanos was built by ZAZ in Russia for a while and sold as the Doninvest Assol. I can't find a picture of one on GIS though. The current Doninvest logo is somewhat similar to the one on that car, though.

>>864557
Eh, well I tried. But out of curiousity, did that unknown car have any miles on it, or just minimal mileage/Km-age from testing?

>>864569
If I remember correctly, it had VERY minimal km on it -- like under 100 (I think).

>>864565
hallo from the eastern bloc. No, it's not a Doninvest Assol. The Assol only had 4 cylinder engines, and in all honesty(I'm canadian currently doing a stay in Moscow)i've not seen that logo or a similar car around here.

>>864583
So much for that theory...

It makes little sense for an Eastern European car manufacturer to make RHD cars, outside of official licensed models like the Daewoos and Fiats made in Poland (though saying that I think the only RHD Daewoos were from Korea), Suzukis made in Hungary etc.

The last RHD proper Eastern European cars I know of were Ladas who gave up in 1997 due to new EU emissions laws and poor sales (FSO stopped at the same time). AFAIK there's been nothing since then, and none of the models offered by Lada or FSO up until then looked in any way modern.

The only possibilities from India (assuming a GM/Suzuki relation with the car) could be Maruti Suzuki who have not made anything like this (their only equivalent is a rebranded Suzuki Cultus Crescent/Baleno which looks nothing like the car in question), and GM India who only seem to sell/manufacture largely unmodified Opel and GM Daewoo "Chevrolet" models.

GM South Africa similarly seem to have no indigenous models.

Also, see pic regarding Daewoo Lanos. The doors look similar, but not really anything else.

>>864647
I think the major problem is basing the assumption that it's a GM on ONE know GM sourced part. In the eastern hemisphere, it's very common to use over the shelf parts made by another company already in existence, it's cheaper and more accessible that way; the engine itself may not be made by the same manufacturer.

>>864683
OP says it has a 3-cylinder engine. Chances are it's a GM Family 0 1.0 or a Suzuki G10 1.0 (also used in some GM cars) - there's a lot of smaller 3-cylinder engines made in Japan but it's mostly tiny kei car shit (< 660cc).

GM have a lot of subsidaries around the world - I doubt they make OEM parts that any other car manufacturer can buy.

Also, the fact it's RHD narrows things down a lot. It's extremely unlikely it's from China, for example.

Here's a crappy cameraphone pic of the back. Lab doors were all locked, but one light was still on, so this is the best I could do through the little window in the door.

Friend of mine suggested chinese GM, or from a smaller country.

>>864998
this be gettin buried, and i be still curious!

wtf is this car?!

i think its a kia thing. look at the back and comapre it to this rio, from the b-pillar back they look the same

closest so far was mazda 121...it's not though...that was 1.6L

I'm the OP's friend and here's a pic of the motor. The black tank at top-right in the engine bay is an engine oil reservoir, presumably for a dry-sump system. Also, note the shallow valve cover. I've pulled the spark plug boots and they're not recessed too far in there. Definitely not DOHC. There's even very little room for an sohc design. It seems to be OHV to me. The car's missing it's radio. That's one odd looking engine though...

correction, dry-sump reservoir is at top-left

wtf is this car people?

daewoo nubira with different front?

ITS A FUCKING LAB

its just some ugly prototype!

If you look closely, the black welded metal tank definitely says oil on top. It's also got the three individual ignition coils that look similar to the ones from a gm v-6 or the ones mounted on the rocker covers of an lsx engine. That's one weird looking topend. Hopefully the pic will help someone identify which 3-cyl engine family it's from.

I was thinking it's an Indian car, but I can't find any automakers with a V logo. Could be a one-off model built on a Chevrolet platform though.

So it's RHD, speedo is in KM/H and the license plate area is built for Euro sized plates.

it does look a bit like the Daewoo Lanos, but its probably a mazda 121

It must be some sort of a prototype. Maybe even a test mule. If thats the case theres no saying that any car based on that ever went into production.

>>865942
This seems more and more likely to me as I learn more about this car.
I'm sure that GM or whomever just donated a brand new car to my school (years ago), which may or may not have been a prototype.

For comparison, GM Family 0 1.0 3-cyl engine found in Opel Corsa

For comparison, Suzuki G10 1.0 3cyl modified for microlight or some shit

Daihatsu CB60 engine (1.0 3cyl turbo - non-turbo versions also made), found in Innocenti De Tomaso (also Daihatsu Charade)

OP, please look for markings as explained in >>864261 (example in pic)

Also, wheelbase measurement might help things - should at least shut up people who think it's a Mazda 121/Revue (a tiny car compared to this). Plus more/better pics.

>>864496
Japanese car speedos read in Km/H.

>>866131
No they don't, they read in Eurobeats per Minute.

>>866131
So do all other RHD cars sold outside of the UK (and Ireland up until 2005)

>>866131
Yeah, but look at the license plate area, it's made for Euro size plates, not Jap size plates

>>866077

At first I thought it was a parallel twin and was about to rage at the incorrect firing order.

OP, take some better pictures, i want to know what shitty car this is ffs!

ok i give up, i cant identify this car. its probably some obscure rebadged and slightly updated asian car for sale in third world markets.

Come on people, dont you dare let this thread die.

That's not a car, that's the latest Adidas Shoe.

See, they're trying to compete with the puma f1 shoes. Op's just a troll. GO BACK TO /FA/!

>>865691
Already considered, and dismissed.

>>864735
>OP says it has a 3-cylinder engine. Chances are it's a GM Family 0 1.0 or a Suzuki G10 1.0 (also used in some GM cars) - there's a lot of smaller 3-cylinder engines made in Japan but it's mostly tiny kei car shit (< 660cc).

The GM point of your argument is somewhat irrelevant, since anything Dephi/ACG/Hughes-Delco will also be marked GM, and delphi/acg(though fairly new as a standalone)has been supplying parts to various manufacturers for a LONGGGGG time.

And now looking at the picture of the engine bay, that looks like no GM/Suzuki design that i'm aware of, even more odd is the dry sump setup, which GM would likely NEVER have pondered for such a small car due to cost constraints.

the mystery continues....

looks like a deawoo

>>866650
already been ruled out.

doesn't it say under the hood what car it is?

Agreed. It makes no sense whatsoever that this 3-cyl eurotrash car would have a dry-sump setup. I'm in the process of tracking down the lab tech that supposedly has this area of the building under his wing. Currently, the door to the garage is locked, so all we have are our pictures to go upon.

>>864548
Its a rebadged Metro Sedan. The rear deck, greenhouse and doors match exactly. The front end and rear taillights were redesigned.

Most likely this is one of those special programs that had US companies leasing out designs and technology to Eastern Bloc countries after the fall of the Soviet Union in the early 90's. Give them our chassis and some old stamping machines and see if they can make something of it. The engine is probably from Russia.

sounds plausible

>>866689

this anon nailed it. thank you sir!

>>866689
It would have to be a prototype. There's no metro variants that match that at all, and none that use a drysump system, either east or west.

>>866689
>>867118
It is definetely based off of the Metro/Swift frame. It could be a university project, similar to the dyno mustang. I guess the project could have been to design the most economical gas powered 4 door possible. Metro isn't a bad starting point, and the new front fascia, custom engine, and dry sump would improve mileage.

>>867124
I have my doubts about it being a class project, but you may also be right about it being metro based, as well. But alot of the same styling cues were used by quite a few of these jellybean mobiles in the 90s. so that woulnd't shock me, either. There's quite a bit that's different, from the strut towers under the hood, to the very wide cpillar(the one on the metro swift does look thinner). So yeah, either way it goes, swift/metro base or something all together different, would just illicit a "Heh" from me, because i just want to know now :(

THIS IS PISSING ME OFF, REVEAL YOUR SECRETS GYPSY CAR!

>>866644
>>866671
Since it's in a university lab it's very very likely the engine was modified. The picture given of the engine doesn't show an awful lot - it's still very possible there's a Suzuki G10 block underneath with some crazy custom head on it (the inlet manifold and spark plugs look like they're in the same place more or less).

>>866689
>Most likely this is one of those special programs that had US companies leasing out designs and technology to Eastern Bloc countries after the fall of the Soviet Union in the early 90's.

The fact it's RHD makes that very implausible. Also, the design is probably mid-late '90s.

> The engine is probably from Russia.

Find me a modern Russian 3 cylinder engine, otherwise your point is invalid.

>Its a rebadged Metro Sedan. The rear deck, greenhouse and doors match exactly. The front end and rear taillights were redesigned.

I agree - a 3rd gen Metro with redesigned front and rear (I was >>864548). Doors are the same shape, front and rear windscreens look the same, roof (from what we can see) looks the same, even the fuel filler cap is in the same place. The glass and seals on the doors look different, but that may have been to comply with EU regulations or whatever market it was intended for.

>the very wide cpillar(the one on the metro swift does look thinner).
I think it's just the angle the photo was taken at makes it look wider

can we get an archive of this

>>867906
You bring good points (what a day for 4chan!).

However, I don't think it's a custom engine (but I could be wrong)... It was in an emissions/alternative fuel lab, not engine-focused. I'll try even harder to find a prof that knows something about this.

>>867957
Different emission controls and alternative fuels can both require extensive engine modifications

>>868250
But what I'm saying is the lab itself is not equipped for engine modifications... Although I'm sure this could have been accomplished at a different location. No more class (or profs) for the weekend; will try to get more info on monday.

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>>868250
That is well beyond "extensive modification" that's not a GM/suzuki 3cyl, period. I also doubt it being a metro, and agree with 867169. The cpillar IS too thick(my neighbor has a metro sedan, i can easly look out my window to compair, and even at the same angle as the picture, it's much much thicker)the rear window doesn't match(the metro starts to wrap around the cpillar toward the rear door ie, the bottom is significantly wider then the top, this one does not), the windshield is sketchy, as well, though i do admit the similarity. The apillars on this car are also MUCH thicker then the metro's.

Also, and this is pretty important, 867169 pointed out the strut towers. If this car is a modified metro, these would 99.9% most likely NOT be touched due to geometry and overall unibody strength issues, and they are, indeed, quite different then a metro's.

But i digress, i don't know what it is, either. But the more i compare it to a metro, the less like that option is to me.

puegot

Could it be a 2-stroke?

Ford fooled around with 2-strokes for the Ka, and that might explain what appears to be a dry sump arrangement. The dry sump is bothering me as I can't think of a single reason for dry-sumping a road car engine except to get the bonet line down (see Mercedes 450SEL 6.9) UNLESS its a 2 stroke with total loss lubrication and the 'dry sump' is the external oil reservoir.

There's been plenty of 2 stroke triple motorbikes so it's a configuration that is known to work and is pretty smooth.

what if its an older model metro, they may have upgraded it from the original, i have no idea, im just putting that out there

>>868327
You can't "dry-sump" a 2 stroke. The movement of the piston in the crankcase is needed to push fuel/air mix into the cumbostion chamber.

>>868441

Yes, I know you can't dry sump a 2-stroke. My point was, how do you explain having an external oil reservoir if the engine isn't dry sumped. A lot of ifs, but if this was a prototype of a possible production car and if it was a 2-stroke, you'd want an external oil reservoir (which could be mistaken for the oil tank in a dry sump system) as you certainly wouldn't want people fucking around with petroil mixture.

bump

daewoo!

>>868441
>cumbostion

hehe

>>868799
>cumbostion

>cumboston

>Corvette fags cum to Boston

Fix'd

The smallest straight-3 engine was the 543 cc Suzuki F5A used in the 1982 Cervo. Smart currently produces a diminutive 799 cc diesel straight-3, the smallest ever. Most straight-3 engines fall below 1.2 liters, with a 1,198 cc Volkswagen unit seen as the largest petrol unit. A 1.8 L (1779 cc) diesel was produced by VM Motori to 1984 Alfa Romeo 33 1.8 TD, the largest straight-3 produced for automotive use.

From wiki

could it be canadian?

i saw a bright green mazda 323 with RHD on the highway the other day. It wasnt the american 323 either. had ottowa plates. I flipped the guy off for driving on the wrong side of the car.

>>868931
your gay

I'd say the car looks like a suzuki, the engine looks like a suzuki, some suzuki were marketed as autozam, why not find a list of suzukis and compare?

10/10

good show anon.

>>869608
Because it's not a suzuki, it's not a suzuki engine, and it's not an autozam. All have been previously ruled out.

>>869636

You sound like you've read the topic, so summary plz.

Also, I still think it's a Neon.

>>869649

durr fucking hurr faggot, I never read the topic which is why I was asking for a summary.

>>869662
Woah, woah, woah Anon... This thread was just getting somewhere... This isn't /b/.

Here's what my friend says about the possibility of it being a two-stroke:

"Could it be a 2-stroke?

Ford fooled around with 2-strokes for the Ka, and that might explain what appears to be a dry sump arrangement. The dry sump is bothering me as I can't think of a single reason for dry-sumping a road car engine except to get the bonet line down (see Mercedes 450SEL 6.9) UNLESS its a 2 stroke with total loss lubrication and the 'dry sump' is the external oil reservoir.

There's been plenty of 2 stroke triple motorbikes so it's a configuration that is known to work and is pretty smooth."

Still not sure what this is though. Will check on monday.

>>862065
I was thinking the same thing...... :D

>>864255
how in the hell is this relevant to the conversation???

wat

>>869702
Yeah, it was an idea as to where this lab was BEFORE OP actually told us he was stateside. Now it's just moot.

UP

BUMP for justice

Can we get more pics for example of the rear and interior?

You know, judging by that writing on the hood, I'm pretty much ready to decide it's just a car that was thrown together for an example of how to build cars. All those parts are pretty cheap and probably easy as hell to put together.

It says, "Unit 41" on the hood, in case you can't see that. Also, there's hand prints all over it, so it looks like it was being touched rather often.

I think it was a project for the students to build a car and make their own special logo. Thoughts on that hypothesis?

>>871402
Unlikely. The engine is very oddball, and would have been completely out of the cost effective range of such a project; and unless the school is equipped with full fabrication facilities(and i don't mean just sheetmetal here, i'm talking sandcasting, 100tn stamp presses, etc)I find it highly unlikely. And the fit/finish is pretty impecable. The handprints and writing mean nothing, having gone to a tech-highschool, i can tell you donor cars don't take long to get covered in shop dust, and even less time after that for some creative wonder of the human race to want to scribble something in said dust.

I don't think this is going to get solved until OP tracks down the lab foreman and just outright asks.

>>871402
It actually wasn't touched very often, hence the coating of dust that my friends and I disturbed. The writing is just written in the dust... Dunno what's up with that.


>>871568
I know the school has some small sandcasting capability (not for any actual use though; just for classes); dunno about stamping. Got a lot of machining capability though - both manual and CNC.

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up

lol

>>872258

You ought to do like >>871568 said.

Get a hold of that foreman, or simply stroll in and ask around about the car. Act like a doofus if you must. You know? Just be all, "Saayyy, fella's, what the heck is this car? Looks crazy." And wait for some lab rat to come show you.

>>873469
871568 here. I'm hoping we get some answers today. that'd be pretty fucking spiffy.

>>873495
answers coming soon, i swear.

friend talked to someone; it's a mostly composite materials prototype with an Orbital (brand) engine. however, the company didn't give the school a key for it, so it needs a new ignition (big red GO button anyone?)

friend should post more info soon.

Bump for more justice.

Curiosity is killing me.

>>874372

>>friend talked to someone

Why is this a secret operation? Lol.

>>874562
he knows a guy man! and that guy knows someone in the know.

alright, I was able to track down the prof. that has the rights to the car. Supposedly it's a "composites" prototype that was donated to the school. Car's made of plastic, whoop dee doo. Of much greater interest is the Orbital OCP 2-stroke motor that it most likely has. The motor came about in the late 90's and was featured in a special edition Festiva (possibly just Australia?) It's a direct stratified charge injection 2-stroke. It uses 4-6 quarts of a special oil every 10000 km. The car didn't come with a key, but the prof. told me she'd love to have someone make it run for her. I'm game.

>>874645
It was also used in a version of the Kia Pride.

>>874645

Composites prototype? Composites prototype!?!?!

WHO'S composites prototype? We must know...

you know what? that intake snorkle is exactly the same as the one from the X3 hyundai accent.

OCP...
Now where have I heard that before...

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT CAR IS, BUT THE GUY IN THE MIDDLE THERE IS DEFINITELY WILLIE NELSON.

I'm not an automotive faggot, but this thread was awesome. Totally awesome.

I would have never read it if r9k wasn't down.

Gentlemen.

>>875464
my initials are OCP

>>875464
OGC ?

>>874645
Awesome results

What makes this 2-stroke better than the stinky smokey old junk like in the Trabant? I assume it was able to meet emissions standards of the late '90s

>>876342


The difference is that is that it's a electronic direct injection 2 stroke.

I'm not aware that the car engines ever picked up, but Aprilia adopted the tech for the SR50 scooter (google SR50 Ditech).

The beauty of the engine is that fuel does not flow through the crankcase, which means MUCH less oil can be used, meaning no blue smoke.

Fuel is injected directly in the combustion chamber once the piston closes the exhaust port, so there's no fuel blow by, and constant, perfect combustion thanks to being electronic injection.

>>876487
as a smoker huffer i can only say...
it's.... BEAUTIFUL....... o.o

up ya go

This thread should be stickied for all time

>>877811

seconded.

>>877811
you can make a feeble attempt to have it over at the archive, maybe if a ton of us submit it, we'll finally get another archived thread other then the absolutely shitty one that's already there.

It s a plymouth neon

looks like I just got it added, raaaaaad!

>>874645


this car must be brought back to life!

That engine is a thing of beauty.
I demand the OP restores the car to a running condition.

I thought that it could either be a neon or maybe a citreon

>>877906

I agree, 2-strokes are quite beautiful in their simplicity. I still don't know why the Orbital died its death - Ford played with it for the Ka like I said above but seemed to chicken out after the car had been finalised (its why the earlier Kas had an updated Crossflow - the Zetec was too tall for the bonnet line)

Stratified charge and common-rail diesels seems to have taken the fuel economy buzz from the 2-stroke but I can't see anything wrong with an electronically controlled 2-stroke in a city car. The lack of bearings and moving parts has to be a maintenance bonus.

Out of interest, what sort of transmission has it got? A Van Doorne CVT would help absorb some of the 2-stroke's natural peakiness and Ford sold them in the Fiesta CTX round about the same time as they were experimenting with Orbital.

>>877927
Peakiness? What do you mean? Their propensity to gain rotational speed faster than 4-strokes?

>>877943
well, in a given period of time, let's say a two stroke and a four stroke gain the same revs.

time:revs
the four stroke goes like this:
t1:2000 rpm
t2:3000 rpm
t2:4000 rpm
t4:5000 rpm
t5:6000 rpm

whereas the two stroke goes like this:
t1:2000 rpm
t2:2010 rpm
t3:2020 rpm
t4:2030 rpm
t5:6000 rpm (death ensues)

>>877959
by the way, that was the silliest method of explaining a shitty power curve ever, i hope you all facepalmed at it

>>877959
I'd say the engine design is flawed if it behaves like that.
A properly designed two-stroke should deliver power much more smoothly than a 4-stroke with an equal number of cylinders, since there is double the amount of power strokes per crankshaft revolution.

>>877971
there's smoothness and then there's power curve. have some wikipastia.

So the engines a ford? Are you sure of this? I was about to go into a tangent about GM making a prototype 2-stroke in 1993ish.

It's either a Dodge Neon or a Plymouth Neon.
It looks more like a Plymouth.

>>878034
STOP

JUST STOP

MUST STAY ON FRONT PAGE.
THIS IS NOW A WAT THREAD.
WAT.

Definitely a Geo Metro.

>>878014
No. the engine is a prototype from a company called Orbital that worked in part with ford in the mid-late 90s to make some festiva/fiesta/whatevers for the aussie market. For whatever reason, the engine never took off even though it worked quite well. The company(orbital)still exists.

>>878014
The engine's an Orbital brand.
http://www.orbeng.com.au/orbital/flash_index.htm
Although I'm sure they don't make the exact one any more.

>>878034
>>878084
It's not any of those -- like >>874645 said, it's a one-off composites prototype. We're working on getting more info now.

bomp for proof that it's a dodge.

kidding, kidding

Orbital is a manufacturing company that made industrial sanders and buffers before expanding into auto manufacture (at about the worst time to do so).

>>878654
>Orbital is a manufacturing company that made industrial sanders and buffers

Uh.... no. Completely different. Orbital Corp LTD is an engine develpment firm out of Perth Australia.

Farewell, dear thread. I Shall always remember you, and the good times we had when you're in the great beyond known as Page 11...

>>878774
Don't let this die yet... Here's another pic.

Here's a (dark) pic of the interior.
Apparently, there's a powerpoint presentation or something that a prof has, and we're waiting for it to be emailed.

So if you get it running OP, do you plan to take it for a spin around the carpark? I'd do it just to be able to drive sitting on the wrong side of the car :D

found this on page GUHGUHGUHGUH

>>879330
second attempt at bump
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