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1: It hurts to catch sun rays after a long while.
3: Just an ordinary/simple sound sounds like a big noise.
6: You don't get fat than you imagine because while you don't move your
body and consume little calories, you don't have much appetite.
8:>>6 You naturally come to have a meal once a day without feeling
hungry.
15: Try to pay much attention to whether you are wearing an appropriate
clothes even just when you go to a convenience store.
17: Scared of mornings to come.
18: Always shut curtains and keep sunlights from coming in.

Number unknow: When I was a real hikikomori, I didn't catch rays for as
long as one year. It's miracle that I recovered to the point where I
feel comfortable with bathing in sunlights...
30: >>18 Smae here...
28: Just a casual walk at night makes your back and knees wabble.
48: >>28 That's exactly the case with me. You get less interested in
weather forcast.
31: When you go outside after a long while, you feel like as if you'd
just got out of a jail.

32: When you wake up in the daytime, you think "I'll sleep a little
bit more" and when you wake up at night, you think "It's about time
to get up..."
38: Even though it's cold outside already, you go out wearing light clothing
without realizing change in season.
44:>>38 That... That happens...
Number unknown: I've lost the track of changes in seasons because of a long
period of shut-in life and I've go out heavily-clothed even in warm weather in
spring.
45: It's true that your vocal cord gets weak. I think my voice was lower
when I was a middle school student.
46: You forget how to vocalize.
47: It's extremely painful to walk in a corwd.
55: You stop looking yourselves in a mirror. You look at yourselves reflected
in a mirror after one year and wonder if the face in the mirror is sure
that of yours.
61:When outside, you feel inferiority complex towards unspecific people.
66: You come to have trouble in vocalizing.
Number unknown: I've caught a cold and stayed at home for the whole week.
When one week passed, I couldn't speak well. When you shut in, you don't
speak.

68: You feel uneasy about other people's eyes.
69: You come to find it hard to speak something in mind and you look weird,
struggling to say it.
70: You lose the sense of time. You become clueless about what day it is
today.
72: Boy, these comments left by hikikomori is full of reality. They reflect
hikikomori's real situatiuons.
86:>>72 I couldn't agree with you more. These posts reflect all of my
hikikomori experience as it is.
73: When you go out, you feel dizzy. Just a short walk cause muscle pains
the next day.
75: You feel uneasy about the way you walk.
77: You reacknowledge that the world functions without you.
83: Just the sound of doorbell scares you to death.
90: The sound of ringtone has almost the same effect of bomb exlosion.
91: You feel inferiority complex even towards your pet. Before you stroke
him/her, you pause and wonder if a person like me is worth stroking him.
97: When you are forced to go out in the daytime, you feel dizzy because of
brightness and pressures you feel. If at night, relatively OK.

99: You start thinking about why on earth you live.
104: I dream of you playing with my friends. I wonder why because
I decided that I don't need any friends any more.
125: >>104 You feel like crying when you wake up after such dreams.
In dreams like that, people you may be able to become friends with
or you want to become friends with appear. That's so tough.
Number unknown: >>125 Same here. In my case, friends I used to hang out
with appear in my dream.
115: You feel peaceful on rainy days.
133: If you try to speak something after a long while, you can't speak well.
Once you start laughing, you can't stop it. Plus the way you laugh is weird.
138: All these posts are so compelling that I cried.
142: A lot more hikikomori in this board than I imagined. lololol
146: You get hungry--->You open refrigerator----> you found nothing to eat
there--->You try to sleep or you surf the Internet.
154: One day passes really quickly. Probably today, too. lol
Sorry for being worthless.
185: Try to make my surroundings as if it were late at night.
207: You are annoyed by rays coming in from gaps between curtain and wall,
so you put corrugated boards over the gaps tp prevent rays from coming in.
226: You try write down a message you get over the phone but find out that
you forget how to write kanji characters.
242: Your skin color is like that of fluorescent lamp.
265: You realize your muscles are getting weak. I found myself having
trouble holding NINTENDO 64 controller with GB pack inserted.

282: I realized that most of hikikomori are a kind of people who can't
live a social life.
Number unknown: We are a kind of people who can't get out of this situation.
289:>>282 Why don't you start doing a part-time job?
Number unknown: I know. I understand that in my head but when it comes to
taking action, I'm scared. I know I sound like making an excuse, though...
302: You unconsciously try to finish errands you have to do outside on
one occasion.
305: Middle aged woman in a barber shop asks you, "Have you decided whether you
start working or have advanced education?"
Number unknown: SORRY SORRY SORRY SORRY SORRY SORRY SORRY
317: >>305 I'm scared of that type of question so I can't go to a barber shop.
353: Your eyes are always those of women who's just been raped.
375: You research about the ways to get profit from stock exchange market or foreign
currencies exchanges, but you end up knowing only someone whon knows the
way to make profits can survive.
411: You start to get less interested in buying things (you want.)
423: You groom yourself and wear nice clothes to go out but all
of a sudden, you feel like you don't go out and changes clothes to
the one you wear in your room again.
461: You feel sorry for your parents being nice to you.
473: >>461 I'm too sorry for my parents smile at me.
474: When I think it's about time to get out of my hikikomori situation,
I'm scared of eyes.
Number unknown: People around me ask if I'm OK, worrying about me, but
that's just painful to me.
509: I feel peaceful on Saturdays and Sundays because I kind of think that everybody doesn't work on these days so I have a right to have a rest on these days, too.

Do you feel you can empathize with any of it? The things directly related to not going outside I can't relate with, but the things more related to social anxiety I would say are a constant on /jp/ and I can certainly relate to them.

This is actually pretty cool.

>>965299
I know, the person in question just spent the last 2 hours translating it all for me. It was really nice of him, particularly given the time in Japan at the moment, and really cool to see VIP talks about similar things we do a lot of the times.

I don't want to call myself a hikki because that makes you sound like a weeaboo faggot, but most of these are just spot on.

I try desperately not to remember how much of a failure and how ronery I really am.

I guess I get too much sunlight from my window, since the sun has never hurt me. My muscles haven't gotten weak, at least not that weak, so I guess I'm slightly more active than normal for people who don't leave their homes.

A lot of the rest I can really relate to, though... barely eating, being scared to death by the doorbell, wondering why I'm alive, feeling bad for my pets and parents...

I feel really bad for the real Japanese hikikomori. I may be stuck the way I am, but it's not that hard on me. My sense of shame is stunted at best, and I really do love my life of isolation. If it wasn't for the pangs of guilt, the daydreaming about what it would be like to be normal, and most of all the crushing sense of dread when I start worrying about the future, I'd be rather happy. But what's pleasant for me could easily be unbearable for a different person with different tolerances. I have all the sympathy in the world for those who really do long for human contact but are stuck like this.

Spot on.

The low appetite/one meal a day thing is true for me. I read /fit/ for a while and seriously tried to gain weight, but yesterday I checked my weight and I had lost about 2kg without realizing it. Trying to gain it back again now, but I wonder if it is futile.

>>965357

why are you sageing the only decent thread on the front page?

I'm fucking scared of becoming a shut-in. I already live a ronery lifestyle and I'm not bothered at all.

But if I lost my job I'd be fucked because my life's not moving anywhere (no education, no training, etc).

I want try college again, this time something I can relate to. But I simply got too lazy.

Sauce on both songs in the video?

>>965375

Because you can't read.

>>965375
because they're ashamed of their posts and dont want a lot of people to read them probably.

I feel most of these things and I don't consider myself a hikki.
Maybe I need to get some friends...

>>965382

Ha ha.

The only thing keeping me from becoming a complete shut-in is college and now that my vacation has started I have two months of doing absolutely nothing to look forward to. I'm not "ronery" as such, but some times I just wish I was born a normal person.

>>965383
Then just hide it.

Almost every single one of those applied to me. I feel ashamed at the realization.

>>965408
You were born a normal person anon, you are what you make yourself.

>>965382
Dai - You (vocal) , Thanks/you Higurashi game OST
Chiaki Ishikawa - Uninstall, Bokurano OP

>>965408
As long as it isn't keeping you from achieving something you want, it doesn't matter whether you're normal or the most pathetic bum on earth. Death has no prejudice.

Well, I'm not a hikki but I can relate to most of the social anxiety situations. Years of being a friendless introvert had its toll on me.

>>965418
>You were born a normal person

Do you think so? I am not the person you are replying to but I've tried, I've willed myself to TRY and enjoy things like night clubs but I just *cant*. To what lengths is one supposed to go to?

>>965438
I don't enjoy night clubs (and I'm not normal either), but that doesn't mean I don't have friends. Not being social doesn't mean not having friends/not going out/whatever.

>>965409

Why would I hide it? I've nothing against it.

I've reached the conclusion you don't actually realize how saging works.

>>965438
That isn't being normal, forcing those things on yourself is being fake. Being normal is finding out what you enjoy, being honest about it, and enjoying those things.

>17: Scared of mornings to come.
Fuck, this is way too true.

Whenever I go out I feel like I'm getting ready for a date I've never actually been on a date what I mean is that I'm paranoid and go through a whole routine just to go outside for like a ten minute trip to a shop.

>>965458
I have friends too, but I think you're underestimating just how important large-scale social interaction coupled with drinking is in terms of youth culture today. I mean, surely you empathize with staying in while your friends go out to get hammered at a club or the student's union?

I was a university undergraduate, so I know how this kind of situation was pretty much every night for me during that year.

I organize my "clothing for going out" in a way that they won't repeat. Then I start worrying whether I am using a linear order of clothes and that people might notice that.

>>965514
This one is all too familiar.

>>965514
Oh my, I do the same thing and I've actually wondered if people would notice

>>965514
3rded
wear the same thing everytime i go outside

>>965514
>>965518
>>965519
Oh god what the fuck why me too.

Every time i go outside i constantly check my reflection in windows, mirrors etc. just to see if my hair sits or my clothes are dirty. I don't know why, but i always feel filthy.

>146: You get hungry--->You open refrigerator----> you found nothing to eat there--->You try to sleep or you surf the Internet.
I do this so much it's sad. And there's a store like five minutes away from me.

>>965494
this happens to me too

Me? I only go out for class and shopping sometimes. People who live in my building know I'm here (i think) but never take me to get a drink at the Student Union, which is only 2 blocks away.

>>965519
This is hilarious, because I do it allll the tiem

I have paranoia that my breath smells

>>965553
anon does not brush his teeth

When people try to approach me, like hugging, saying "hello", or trying to start a conversation, I want to answer but I just can't, so I end with an "yeah" or just a nod.

>>965553
>>965553
>>965553
>>965553
>>965553
>>965553
>>965553

>You feel sorry for your parents being nice to you.
;_;

>>965553
I have this even though I brush, floss, and use mouthwash regularly.

>>965561
Do you try and maintain distance when speaking to someone, or position your head so you aren't breathing onto them?

I know it's paranoia, I brush my teeth twice a day and use mouth wash, but I'm still shit scared nonetheless.

>>965572
Both.

Almost all of these apply to me. Including

>91: You feel inferiority complex even towards your pet. Before you stroke
him/her, you pause and wonder if a person like me is worth stroking him.

Jesus christ.

When riding the subway, I put on my earphones and feign sleep. I don't move, even if I want to change music tracks.

>>965575
I thought I was the only one.... ;_;

I rarely greet people, because i think they could be ashamed to know me.

>>965577
>As a girl

You cant possibly know what it's like to feel the kind of stuff described in the OPs translation.

>>965588
Me too. But it seems that this only makes things worse.

In before thread deleted.

;;

>>965558
I... Have the same thing. Even with friends that I used to know.

>>965577

>As a girl

another good thread ruined

praying for summer to end

Oh God, this thread ;_;

>>965577
Please, delete your post before this thread derails into a shitstorm.

I told myself I was just going to take a year off before going to college. then I thought that I would get a job instead of going to school. now it's been over a year and I'm no closer to having a job than I was when I finished high school

>>965567

sometimes i buy things for my parents with the little money i have; things like a bar of chocolate or something else that is cheap.
Everytime they will thank me for it. Sometimes i will go back to my room and cry.

>>965505
I used to be more outgoing than I am now. I spent a lot of evenings out in my highschool days, but when I got to college I sort of didn't do that anymore. Met my girlfriend at the dorm I was living in, and except for a movie every now and then we'd mostly stay in.

When she broke up with me (which is about 7 years ago now) I just stayed in. I can't honestly be arsed to go out into clubs, and I hardly ever go out with the few friends I have left.

I'm not a hiki, I go outside everyday and I have a job. I just don't really enjoy social interaction with most people, except those I'm already familiar with.

I organize my entire life so that I have to spend the least amount of time outside. It's not some fear of the outside or of people, it's just that if I don't have to I'd rather not.

I look at my friends these days and I see how they're getting married, building a house and having kids. I have this feeling that my life is racing by me at an incredible pace and it just keeps picking up speed while I'm at a complete standstill.

Every now and then I try and change. Go out a couple of times, try to socialize, but whenever someone introduces me to a new person there's something inside me that just instantly dislikes them, either that or I get this feeling that they don't like me. I can't really explain the feeling, but it's somewhat like you somehow know they're looking down on you.

At some times I feel very frustrated about this, yet most of the time I'm quite happy to be (left) alone.

2 years

When a girl greets you, say in the halls of residence of your university during undergraduate year and you get into a conversation, you always answer in a too 'keen' and 'eager' way. Like you're trying to appear casual but failing it.

And then you go outside for a walk at night and microanalyse the conversation you had and realise how badly you failed...

>>965602
I think it's possible. Remember that girl in high school who nobody liked, who nobody talked to, not even yourself? She was pale as a fluorescent light, and she had messy brown hair that she never took care of. She was probably Jewish. Everybody talked about her, even in front of her face. Everybody thought she was the next school shooter.

Those bitches are fucking ronery.

>>965626
i think i know you. I act like a kid. From that statement alone, do you know who I am?

If a girl does the slightest courtesy act, like greeting, asking for something in a polite manner and thanking later, I start having love fantasies about her(I mean LOEV, not fapping, even though both might happen with the same girl).

>>965630
i annihilate conversations like some sort of assassin

>>965646
I have this too, I daydream so much, like lying in each other's arms, eating breakfast together and so on.

>423: You groom yourself and wear nice clothes to go out but all
of a sudden, you feel like you don't go out and changes clothes to
the one you wear in your room again.

I do this all the time. Sometimes I'll get dressed to go shopping or to meet friends to study and then I'll just sit on the toilet or watch TV until I miss the bus so I don't feel like I just ditched, I simply missed the bus.

the meaning of life is just enlarging your touhou folder

well to me it is

God damn it.. I need to get drunk tonight. ;_;

>>965572
>>965575
I do this too, particularly when I'm talking to girls. It doesn't help that I brushed my teeth 15 minutes ago and have my mouth full of breath fresheners, I must still ALWAYS avoid breathing on them.

If people try to talk to me I'm pretty much just apathetic and my responses will be short and blunt, with a monotonous tone of voice. I try to end the conversation as soon as I can. I hate talking to most people.

As a trap, I keep being afraid that my penis will start bleeding in public.

If I go outside and end up walking past somebody, I'll raise my shoulders and try to make myself look bigger and more intimidating. I always evaluate every person I see as a potential threat. Sometimes I'll dream of being back in school, but this time not being such a pussy and fighting back. I'll wake with my heart racing and my sleep pattern disrupted for days.

>>965640
No, although one of my firends occasionally acts like a kid, I'm pretty much sure he doesn't visit 4chan.
I'm pretty sure that what I wrote about myself is something that applies to many people.

>>965636
They end up with someone.

>>965572
I do this constantly. And then when I forget to do it I'm constantly mentally kicking myself and going through paranoid delusions that they'll have noticed, thought my breath was awful and completely changed their opinion about me.

>>965665
Thankfully I only do that in the phone. But it's been a while since I had serious conversation with somebody, so...

I hate intervals between classes.

>>965675
No, that's what normal people do.

>>965679
Same here, I absolutely hate breaks and intervals between classes.

>>965630
Whenever I have a conversation with a woman I usually end up either saying something dubious or insulting. I'll overanalyse the conversation an entire evening and sometimes lie awake about it in bed

The only reason I'm going to college is so that once I get out, I can work from home, and never have to leave. There's a grocery store around here that delivers free if you order more than $30.

>>965691
that is my dream job and home
you almsot aquired it

I avoid my classmates like the plague because I'm afraid they won't like me if they get to speak to me.

>>965683
ALL the girls from my old high school class have, or have had, boyfriends by now (yes, I've checked this thoroughly through social networking sites/ acquaintances, etc.). I'm still a virgin who has never had a girlfriend, and I know at least one other guy from my class who is like that. Things are very different for girls, no matter how ugly they are.

>>965646

Hahaha, oh god, I used to have this. I remember my first "love"... I started liking her because we took the same bus to school, she was one stop ahead of me, and she used to sit across from me in the back and smile at me. Looking back I realize never felt anything close to real love except maybe once in high school, but I sure did fall in "love" easily. There were times when I was in "love" with like 8 different girls simultaneously and was seriously stressing over that shit in my mind trying to sort it all out.

By this point it's all moot. I'm incapable of feeling love and have no particular desire for it anyway, and I haven't seen a woman other than my mother in over 6 years. But when I was younger it used to drive me crazy pondering the nature of love and if it was possible to love multiple people at once and all kinds of stupid shit like that.

Is there anyone else on /jp/ who never had any friends in lectures? I mean, I have NO ONE, I got on well with people from my halls... But lectures, fuck, I just sit on my own. I have NO friends in lectures.

>>965683

Women always end up with someone though.

>>965646

I do this too, except I've been fixated recently on this one girl I used to go to high school with. I keep thinking about what she'll be like in five years, like we'll meet at a grocery store or something and she'll be impressed by my job or something and we'll hit it off, but hell she's probably forgotten who I am by now, in five years I'll just be another weirdo to her.

>>965692
I have not almost acquired it. I'm going into computer science, and I know that there's people in highschool who know how to program better than I do.

Hell if I can find a job that I get to work from home.

The people that posted this stuff on 2ch are real hikkimori. No shit at all. I have been a hikki for about 6 months now. All of the quotes, I can relate to. These ones that really hit me hard (because it's true):
>You reacknowledge that the world functions without you.
>I dream of you playing with my friends. I wonder why because
I decided that I don't need any friends any more.
>You feel like crying when you wake up after such dreams.
In dreams like that, people you may be able to become friends with
or you want to become friends with appear. That's so tough.
Number unknown: >>125 Same here. In my case, friends I used to hang out
with appear in my dream.
>You feel sorry for your parents being nice to you.
>f you try to speak something after a long while, you can't speak well.
Once you start laughing, you can't stop it. Plus the way you laugh is weird.
>Middle aged woman in a barber shop asks you, "Have you decided whether you
start working or have advanced education?"
>I'm scared of that type of question so I can't go to a barber shop.
>You groom yourself and wear nice clothes to go out but all
of a sudden, you feel like you don't go out and changes clothes to
the one you wear in your room again.

I hate "trivial talk" such "last episode of Lost", sports, weather... You might guess that chatting with me will lead to lots of those awfully awkward silences.

None of this applies to me. Perhaps I should go out more.

>>965699
lecture? Not a fucking person. Discussion I can talk to a few of them, but we don't talk out after class

>>965699

I had friends in lectures, but I'd deliberately avoid them because they'd just want to talk to me and I just wanted to pay attention to the lecture. I went to a shitty high school and by some twisted luck got into a really good university, so I needed to pay attention to everything and my friends who went to really good high schools were bored out of their minds.

I hate hiki threads because faggots like (>>965709) pop up thinking 6 months is impressive, when he probably goes out once in a while anyways. Most likely thinks it's cool to be a hiki as well.

>>965717

I would talk to a few of my friends after class, but it would usually be about dumb shit like shitty teachers or the horrible winter weather. I have this weird thing where if I have an extended conversation with someone where I don't make myself look like an asshole or a weirdo, I get all giddy when I'm alone again in my room.

When I go out, I always just keep headphones on and listen to music to deter people from starting random conversations with me.

>>965714
I'm bad at smalltalk as well. I don't watch TV except for a few show I download, which is mostly not of interest to coworkers. I don't like sports, not for playing or watching, and I don't care for politics. That really limits the amount of topics you can talk about.

I find that most people who engage in smalltalk with me get uncomfortable after a minute or five.

I've noticed that I get progressively worse at speaking to people after a week or two of vacation. Since I don't leave the house unless I really have to during vacations I hardly speak to anyone and I noticed that after those two weeks I have a tendency to mess up grammar and take really long pauses mid speech. (That, or I could just be retarded)

>226: You try write down a message you get over the phone but find out that
you forget how to write kanji characters.

About a year or two into the ronery NEET life that I've been leading after high school, I started catching myself forgetting basic English grammar and spelling. This may not sound THAT bad considering that English is not my first language, but I soon realized that this was affecting my first language as well. That genuinely frightens me. I used to be good with languages and writing back in high school, and to see one of my very few positive traits wither like this...

Kinda makes you wonder what else may be slowly slipping away from you. :(

>>965741
Best thread on /jp/ in ages. Dont be a faggot about it. 6 months of being a shut in is not a good thing, do you think he enjoys being a hikki?

I enjoy being alone and I don't see anything wrong in it

404 this shit aaaaaaaaaaargh

I am a literaturefag as well. First time I realized my depressive condition was when I read "The Tobacco Shop":

"I'm nothing.
I'll always be nothing.
I can't want to be something.
I have in me all the dreams of the world nevertheless."

http://sozluk.sourtimes.org/show.asp?t=tobacco+shop

>>965514
I used to be like this, but now I don't have clothes that fit me anymore. For my going out clothes I've been wearing the same jacket and pants for a year. No one really said anything about it when I went to class, though.

>>965786
>>965709

Same-HAY-GUISE-I'VE BEEN-AN-HIKKI-FOR-2-WEEKS-AM-I-COOL-NOW?-fag

>>965817
BUT INSIDE THEY HATED YOU FOR IT

>>965783
Same. I've found myself increasingly unable to come up with the right word order for sentences and more and more relying on spell check.

>>965783
Same here. I've always considered myself to be pretty good at English for a foreigner, but I feel like I'm slowly losing large chunks of my vocabulary. Which is kind of odd seeing as now that I'm a shut-in I spend all of my time here.

>>965821
Way too much rage, how hard is it to believe that someone on /jp/ is a genuine shut in? I've seen you before in these threads, don't be such an asshole.

God fucking damn it this is why 4chan is so shit.

>>965783
>>965829
ha, same here. sometimes, i only remember the English word for something (English isn't my first, either) and have to look up in a dictionary what its called in my native.

Oh god I've done so many of these things. I'm not even hikki and I can relate to some

BAN THIS SHIT FROM /JP/, IT DOES NOT BELONG HERE

>>965864
normalfag spotted. Go back to /r9k/ cocksucker.

>>965851
Me too. My inferiority complex isn't quite as strong as theirs, but stuff like the doorbell or the phone ringing definitely applies to me. I absolutely LOATHE answering the phone, and it's not because of telemarketers.

>>965823
the only reason to archive this would be because of the things the 2channel people said.

Nobody here has really contributed, so no reason to archive it

You've made me really sad, anon. But somehow it feels good. This thread has been some sort of catharsis for me.

I'm not a hiki (yet) but I'm not far from being one. The only thing that kept me from becoming a shut-in was college. Though I passed my exams and got pretty good results, I'm just a human failure. Fuck.

During lectures when taking a seat I would usually leave an extra seat between myself and the student next to me, unless there wasn't much room and every student would sit directly next to one another.
Intervals during classes were downright horrible. While everyone would be chatting cheerfully, I would take out a book and read it in a Nagato Yuki-like fashion for the sole purpose of not looking like a dumbass sitting in the classroom with no one to talk to.
As for lunch time, I'd spend a whole fucking hour at the college library reading my book.

I still have people I could call friends, but I can feel I'm way too different from them. Though they might not actually dislike me, they probably think I'm just a silent guy who's boring to hang out with, which is damn right.

And fuck no there will be no cute angel to save me. That's how reality is.

Guys if anyone here thinks there aren't American hikikomoris they're stupid. My roommate hasn't left the apartment I live in (his parents own the place) for 3 years except to buy groceries, usually Saturday nights after 10:00 because it's less busy then. I got him to go to a Halloween party 2 years ago and it's the only time he's been to anything social since I've known him. All he does all day is play video games and watch TV.

He doesn't post on 4chan so he's not a /jp/sie but he is true hikikomori. Just because Japan is famous for it doesn't mean they're somehow exclusive.

I don't qualify as hikikomori because I do go out from time to time and have friends, he has none but me.

>>965879
she was even cuter in the manga

>>965879
I do the same thing, but I love reading, so I don't really care if people don't talk to me.

>>965864
Just like TV series, movies, video games, comics/cartoons, figurines etc?

Imo this is one of a thousand topics that's actually good and doesn't belong on another board here.

It try desperately to blend in with others i am around. I travel around London each day. If a girl ever looks at me, i convince myself that i must have something on my
face.

Other times i hear people laughing behind me, and try to
find an alley or doorway so i can check my clothes in
case there is any dirt or anything on them. there never is
but i have been doing this for around 2 years now.

One of my biggest fears is if it is a hot day i fear people
will smell B.O. or shitsweat from me. I will make frowning
faces as if i smell something in just in case. Occasionally
i get fears about this around friends, and i will ask them if
they smell anything. They always say no, yet i think that
they must just be lying to cover up any embarrassment
they might feel from it, or perhaps just to be kind.

>>965902
BAN THIS SHIT FROM /JP/, IT DOES NOT BELONG HERE

>>965845
>>965709

>genuine shut in
>hikki for about 6 months now
>genuine
>6 months

Yeah, you sure are genuine.

I haven't had my hope shattered yet. I still talk to people.

I interface with everyone who seems "a bit off", just to see if I've found someone who might have an inkling of what's going on in life. That combined with Japanophilia have brought me first to /a/, and then to here after the split.

Ideally, I'd like to meet a girl, although I know in my heart no girl can match 2d perfection. Realistically, I'm just looking for a friend who won't stab me in the back.

>>965908
No need to reply twice.

>>965868

Almost no one in this thread has called themselves a hikikomori. Most aren't even NEETs. Just because you can relate to some aspect of something doesn't mean you are comparing yourself to it. You sure are overreacting to just that one 6 month faggot. This thread has been fine, way better than anything I've seen on the subject in a long time.

>>965879
so...much...alike

Does having a sister make any of this shit any easier?

>>965905
I have problems with the laughing. It doesn't matter where I am, if I am alone and hear laughing I assume it's because of what I'm wearing and have to try really hard to convince myself otherwise. I try to imagine what else they could be laughing at, can they even see me from where I was standing, and in the end I think to myself that I don't care if they are laughing at me, they don't mean shit to me and they can go fuck themselves.

just 2 more requests for archive

If I could I'd spend the rest of my life doing nothing at all besides surfing the net with some music on and wasting time. I have no motivation, no dreams and no goals beside being able to do nothing. Maybe I'd be better off dead.

Then again, dead people might not be able to surf the net, so I should probably try to stay alive.

>>965967
What the fuck are you talking about? It's hardly a positive to have extreme social anxiety, people speak of SOLITUDE positively because they are introverted, not the symptoms of social anxiety like being a retard around girls.

>>965967
Butthurt jap, lol

>>965949
Fuck. I feel this way all the time. Even if they're obviously not laughing at me, I get all red in the face when I hear laughter coming from behind.

There's nothing positive about my social awkwardness and my total failure with girls, but I don't really see the point in describing my situation with the darkest and most emotional words I can find. Shit sucks, that's all there is to it.

This thread has inspired me. Personally, virtually none of what OP posted applies to me. Yeah, sometimes I have a bit of trouble talking to people I don't know, but I can deal with and otherwise I have absolutely no trouble going out in public and associating with people. I have friends, and I play in a band, but I still spend most of my time inside on the computer browsing 4chan.

Anyway, this thread helped me realize that since I'm lucky enough to be able to function as a normal person, I should stop being such a faggot and go outside and do stuff with my friends more. Hurray.

>>965982
Do you have a girlfriend?

>>965981
Exactly how I see it as well.

Real Japanese people? On MY /jp/?

It's more likely than you think.

>>965983

see

>>965986

I lost my cellphone but didn't even realize until a week or so later. No one ever called or texted me anyway.

>>966002
No one cares.

I must be the odd man out. What a surprise.

I don't feel inferior in public; I don't have social anxiety per se.

I walk outside and nobody responds to me. The most conversation I can get out of people I've worked with for years is small-talk. No one looks me in the face. People walk into me as if I wasn't there, then walk on as if they hit nothing. The folks at school pay attention to me only when I'm doing something "interesting", nobody is interested in me for my own sake, only for what I provide.

To this world, I don't exist.

I fucking hate this place.

>>965998
Not currently. Have had a few in the past.

>>966002
Could this be a real wap?

>>965967

Why can't it be positive? Nobody wants to be fucked up in the head and have social anxiety and whatever the fuck else, sure, but who are you to say I can't fucking enjoy living this way? I don't ever call myself a hikikomori or anything but I've left my apartment only a handful of times in the last 5 or 6 years, and I'm happy with this life. I don't want social contact, everything I want is available at my fingertips here. Sure, I'd like to be a different person because I hate a lot about myself and I'm pretty fucked up, and I have the desire to be normal just for the sake of normality, but this life is ideal as long as it stays feasible.

I don't make light of real hikikomori, but fuck off if you're telling me I can't enjoy my lifestyle.

>>966009
Remember that your kind is in the minority here, this isn't /b/, this isn't /r9k/.

>>966003
I get that too. My phone will die and I won't realize it for weeks because there's no difference.

>>966007
welcome to the real world, Neo

>>966007
Woah, man, how did you make a post without writing anything?

>>966024
Yes, I'm aware of this. That's another reason I said I should get out ore.

>>966029
At least here I get responses. I was kind of worried there for a sec.

>>966007
how did you make a blank post?

>>966048
*more

>>966049
Stop doing that. It's pointless to keep bumping the thread if you're not saying anything.

>>966048
You won't be missed. I can assure you of that.

OPs girlfriend, relationship threads, egging on camwhores and encouraging more, sex advice.... Your kind has really fucked up 4chan over the past 2 years.

>>966023
I'm not the poster you're referring to, but perhaps he's just annoyed by the fact that even people who do actually venture outside the house or still have friends that they occasionally talk to post in a hikikomori thread?

Like when I get pissed over people who whine on /b/ about losing their current girlfriend or being without sex for a week WHEN I'M STILL A FUCKING VIRGIN AT 22 AND HAVE NEVER HAD A GIRLFRIEND GOD FUCKING DAMN YOU LUCKY, UNGRATEFUL BASTARDS I HOPE YOU ALL DIE AND BURN FOR ETERNITY ASTDDSVA2WAUWASF

I have not gone outside in so long ;_: I can relate to so much of this. I feel like I would rather die then be forced out into public. Something is wrong it is very wrong.

>>966050
iseewhatyoudidthar.jpg

>>966058
Lol, okay.

You guys made the saging RealJap puke. You're evil.

>>966060
As a non-virgin, don't get your hopes up for anything fantastic. It's jsut masturbation with a living organism, particularly paid-for sex.

There's zero reason to even consider having sex in this day and age, there's just no point.

Proof that no matter how fucking crazy we are japan is crazier.

You know, in a way it's just nice to share your innermost bullshit with people once in a while. I mean honestly /jp/, how often do we talk about the fact that we have extreme social anxiety, even with friends? Hardly ever I would imagine... To think that there are people thousands of miles away, who have exactly the same anecdotal social crutches is heart warming in a way.

thread went downhill quickly

i'm not a hikki and i have a girlfriend couple of time(end up badm my bad)
time goes by and all my ex girlfriend are married by now, the fifth one married last month.
maybe i have a social shut in. not very good at talking with someone.

>>966067
Why do people like you come to 4chan anyway? Did you hear about it from ED? Why do you post the kind of threads I described? I'm genuinely interested in getting into the mind of a normalfag here.

We should all have an offline meet, everyone can bring their loli sisters and we can watch CCS it'll be awesome guys!

>>966075
I tried asking my parents for help to see a doctor or something. My mother instantly responded with "BULLSHIT". I went back to my room, and the subject was never brought up again.

>>966087
Just because he has a life doesn't mean he makes retarded threads about it, you dumb nigger.

I am happy with my lifestyle, despite my considerable social and psychological flaws, for many reasons..2 of which are as follows

1. I have a bed to sleep in and forget about everything rubbish
2. I am normal for a few hours when i retire to 4chan.

>>966060

If he's that bothered by that he should probably vacate /jp/ for the summer. Normalfag central lately.

Not that I can't relate, I find their presence distasteful as well, but most of this thread has been pretty good even though it has hit a sharp decline. Certainly better than anything else that's been going on here recently.

>>966073
I wish I didn't have a sex drive.

Sex is just a need, it's not necessary for recreation, could you imagine how many problems would be solved if everyone's sex drive were destroyed at birth? I mean, think about it for a minute, people would marry for the sake of platonic love and so on, divorce rate would dissapate, no cheating... Honestly, there are times when I'm fucking PISSED OFF to have an erection because it means 'damn i have to go jack off again' when I'm actually doing something productive.

I have a superiority complex so fierce that it's actually wrapped back around to become an inferiority complex.

I can't see anyone as equal to me, except you guys here, which makes me hate everyone.

So what happens when 2 /jp/ers get together in person?

>>966093
Why are you referring to yourself in the third person?

>>966087
I second this.

How does a normalfag find his way here?

>>966110

Awkward glances and nervous laughter, then they both go home.

>>966087
Well, I started going to /b/ at some point a while ago. I do not remember where I heard about the site, but it was not ED. I eventually got tired of it and moved to other boards. I go to /jp/ because I happen to like Touhou.

I can understand your dislike of the type of posters you referred to earlier, but I personally have not done any of those things, so I don't exactly fit into the category you're putting me into.

Is there anyone else on /jp/ that is FIERCELY misogynistic? To the point of genuiinely absolutely despising everything about women, their drunken screeching, their sluttiness, their shallowness and so on?

I dont really have any sympathy when I see rape stories on CNN anymore....

>>966091
I actually did see a doctor, and got a SSRI prescription, but I stopped taking it after watching the end of Makoto's route in the 2006 Kanon anime, because it was obvious the drugs were preventing all emotion and thus ruining the only good things in my life. Even Planetarian would probably have been ineffective if I'd read it back then.

>>966104
You and I are in the same boat, cap'n. I've considered chemical castration many times, but every castration method leaves problems. Plus, even I might want to procreate someday.

Also, it's not likely you'll find it anywhere but in not-so-easy-on-the-stomach stump remover form, but saltpeter (potassium nitrate) kills libido. But it also puts you on gov't bomber watch lists.

>>966130
I'm in.

I can't stand how women talk or dress anymore, can't stand how they're effectively just teenage boys for the rest of their lives. Men are similar, for the most part, but at least they don't sound like banshees.

>>966130
I'm quite the opposite. I don't know why, but i tend to glorify women.

>>966135
The drugs cured you of liking Key shit. You should have kept taking them.

>>966130
Fiercely would be an overstatement, but I dislike women much more than men. They have most of, if not all, the negative traits of men, and then a thousand more.

>>966130
I'm with you. I haven't met any women (that aren't over 40) outside of your description. Perhaps I'm just looking in the wrong places, but whatever, that shit pisses me off.

>>966130
I don't limit my hate to just women.

I like how they brought up a bunch of stuff but forgot the thing that fucks me up the most. When I actually talk to someone, after the conversation is over I can sit for fucking days and think about what I said, how I said it and in what possible ways the other person could have perceived what I said. Fucking hate that, I need to learn that most of (the few) people I talk to don't give two shits about what I say.

Good thread btw.

>>966130
I strongly believe females are inferior, mostly because they are almost completely amoral. A female never does anything because it is right, only because they will be rewarded. A female will cheat on you with no hesitation if they think they can get away with it. They are genetically incapable of understanding concepts like honor and justice. I don't hate them for this, just as I wouldn't hate a bear for attacking a human, but this doesn't make them any less dangerous though. Females generally love fascism and think the ends justify any means.

I dream of a day when we won't need women anymore, where we can produce ovaries in a lab.

Then we can romanticize the days when they existed.

>>966180
Write a book about it then. There's already scifi books where women don't need men anymore and can produce sperm in a lab.

>>966130
Nah, it just happens that the traits I look down upon are prevalent in women, and found occasionally in men.

I don't hate women as a whole though.

>>966175
I can't stand them mostly because they are so perverse. I mean, most women have rape fantasies. Think about that for a minute, if ever by some stroke of luck you or I manage to get a cute girl who likes Touhou, deep down, instinctively they will have fantasies of being taken and raped by some strong alpha figure.

How can we compete with that? Women all like the same thing.

>>966180

go to /d/

>>966175
I've come to the conclusion that men are just as bad as women, and misanthropy is far superior to misogyny, you just notice women being cunts because you're on the wrong side of their fuckin social game.

>>966180
Perhaps we'll have sexrobots in the future. Something like Persocoms maybe.

Women are always dumb, irrational and overly emotional. This may sound like a silly cliche, but unfortunately it's true.

>>966180
Seems like I've heard that before....hmm....

I have found I have become slow at understanding the local accents.

>>966190

>most women have rape fantasies

I have a rape fetish, i'm the one who do the raping thought.

>>966175
You could use the same logic for niggers.

I strongly believe niggers are inferior, mostly because they are almost completely amoral. A nigger never does anything because it is right, only because they will be rewarded. A nigger will cheat on you with no hesitation if they think they can get away with it. They are genetically incapable of understanding concepts like honor and justice. I don't hate them for this, just as I wouldn't hate a bear for attacking a human, but this doesn't make them any less dangerous though. Niggers generally love fascism and think the ends justify any means.

>>966190

agreed, i hate the responses they give whenever somebody uses 'whore' as a pejorative, even if it's just an indirect pejorative.

Stuff about 'gender roles' and how women who sleep around are social revolutionaries for sexual liberation and so on.

The simple fact is, innocence only existed back in yonder times because it was protected, at the point of a fucking sword. It doesnt exist anymore because women are naturally wild and reckless without anyone to hold them back. I could never get married to a non-virgin woman, she has been ruined, other men have screwed the shit out of her, made her scream their name in orgasmic bliss... I cant stand the thought of that.

>>966206
What the fuck is wrong with their jaws? Holy shit, especially the one on the left.

The misogyny is nice and all, but you're derailing the thread badly.

>>966175
I'm not willing to blame it on genes JUUUUST yet. I blame how they're raised.

There would be no wars or crime without women.

Women encourage men to fight wars and also to do bad things, beat people up, mug people, directly (through encouraging men and calling them cowards and wimps) and indriectly through their very existence: it is hardwired into us through evolution that men must achieve and get status to be attractive to women and thereby breed. Do you think men want to work down mines or fight in wars? And would they, without the pressure of women making them feel like wimps if they didn't?

>>966235
90s animu.

>>966235
Welcome back to the 90's. SMJ sold like hotcakes.

>>966214
This isn't true, because you can remove a black person from nigger culture (the rap music stereotype) and they have a significant chance of becoming a decent person. No way to fix females.

ITT, we are close-minded as hell.

>>966259
Woman spotted.

If I make eye contact with some random person or if I'm around people, or even talking to my family members I start gulping down my spit like crazy. I'll even start to sweat on my armpits, too. It's embarrassing.

Genius and intelligence are not selected for in evolutionary terms. The correlation of intelligence and wealth may equalize this to some extent, but women do not find academia or lab coats attractive.

Allow me to explain:

I was recently watching a documentary on Bill Gates, it featured an interview with a girl from his class, they were friends apparently. Well, anyway, Bill apparently asked her to go to the prom, and she said no. Her follow-up comment was 'wish i had though, haha!'

Isn't that just so worthless? No decency, no respect, no loyalty in that last comment. She looked like she had a husband in that interview, obviously she is a woman and has no concept of loyalty though.

But getting back to the wider issue it highlights something quite interesting: Women do not select for intelligence in a partner, and generally it isn't even a minute factor. So stop deluding yourselves about this particular issue. Genius has social value only to other people of sufficiently high intelligence to comprehend the importance of it.

>>966087
>Why do people like you come to 4chan anyway?

They come because 4chan is the latest and hottest internet fad. We have porn and funny pictures with captions. Also, anime is mainstream nowadays and so is J-pop and such.

In theory, I have nothing against 4chan being popular. Anonymous imageboards are a great innovation and the culture we had here was in all it's stupidity suprisingly rational and therefore world would be a better place if all internet communities would be like 4chan was. But the truth is, 4chan was good because of the userbase that consisted mainly of smart nerds, weeaboos, idiots and losers. Some claim that 4chan sucks because of the lack of "original content". This is probably true, but the reason why original content isn't created anymore is that the new userbase isn't willing or capable to create it.

/jp/ is the only board here that can be considered good anymore. I just saw someone sage a thread because OP used emoticons. This never happens on other boards anymore. It's just "lol u tk him 2da bar|?" XD >-> ^_^ :D, attentionwhoring, e-hugs and shit.

Newton would obviously respect Darwin.

But your average woman would not.

Women are the spearhead of the anti-intellectual movement, Paris Hilton and her disciples are the sharpened, glistening tip.

Women need to be dealt with before they start destroying key scientific agencies like NASA! I remember in a lecture at college we were doing a particle physics module and we were watching a video about NASA in the lecture theater, and a bunch of girls started giggling, apparently they were giggling about the fact everyone in the mission control room wore glasses and looked like nerds. And these were fellow physics students! Intelligent! But deep down they hate intelligence and love primitive behaviour, I used to think that calling women 'bitches' and slapping them on the ass would actually STUNT your chances with them, lol.... Deep down women love to be treated as shit.

It was at that moment that I realised women were worthless and enemies of science, the arts and academia.

And unless you guys on /jp/ want to delude yourself into thinking women make relationship choices on the basis of 'shared interests' you really need to stop now. That's delusional rubbish and you know it.

Women like proactive men, men who are proactive in terms of getting the woman excitement and thrills. That's why you hear people complain women like bad boys, because women are unable to internalize an ability to create their own fun. Women are empty and broken without a man, however much they want to delude themselves. Whereas men can live without a woman (Newton and Tesla are just two examples).

Women are a major cause of woe on this planet. They need to accept responsibility.

>>966277
The only way to produce a trustworthy woman is to raise them in a religious fundamentalist environment, so fear of hell keeps them in line. A woman is naturally greedy and untrustworthy. They are the real life versions of the stereotypical Jew.

>>966303
>so fear of hell keeps them in line.

SO FUCKING TRUE!

And this is coming from an avowed atheist, but the more I see the behaviour of some men and ALL women the more I feel like there *IS* a need for 'necessary illusions' in society. Some people are simply too stupid to function rationality without the fear of hell, like women, without the fear of hell they'll fuck a shitload of men, have 3 marriages and divorces and so on. Women need to be kept in line with an iron rod.

>>966279

>/jp/ is the only board here that can be considered good anymore.

/tg/'s still good. Hell, they're a lot better off than us, I'd say.

I don't want to make any huge generalisations about women, I'm not here to do that, it's- it's vulgar. But all I'll say is that they have no feelings. Because it's actually men, you'll find, who are the far more romantic. Men are the people you will hear say, "I've found somebody. She's amazing. If I don't get to be with this person, I'm fucked. I can't carry on, no I mean it, she's totally transformed my life. I have a job, I have a flat, it means nothing. I can't stand it, I have to be with her. Because if I don't, I going to end up in some bedsit, I'll be alcoholic, I'll have itchy trousers. I can't- I can't walk the streets any more." That, is how women feel about shoes.

>>965699
>Is there anyone else on /jp/ who never had any friends in lectures?

Why would you need friends in lectures? I have no friends at all. I eat alone, I listen lectures alone and I study alone. Still, I never feel lonely.

>>966318
/tg/ and /jp/ are both decent boards (though lets be honest, /tg/ is better than us), both have absolutely NO 'femanons' too.

Coincidence?

In the rare conversations that I have with people, the fact that the understand and answer always amazes me for some reason. I just want to take it easy.

>>966225
Once, long ago, I had a woman. We married, broke up, she found someone else.

I thought about it for a long while, and I realized that every nice thing she ever said was for my benefit and not heart-felt, and everything I said to her was dragged out at her behest. Every sweet word she ever told me were lies, down to the last one.

I still talk to her. I watch her treat her new boyfriend how she treated me and I laugh a little. It's funny that you only get to see someone in full when they turn their back and abandon you.

I now know that I loved the show, the display, but I found out that my Great Wizard was just a needy girl behind the curtain.

It's like watching a city be destroyed, an institution you came to trust and believe in is wiped out of existence. Because if this, I reject the modern definition of "love" and I hold to my ideals, because without ideal love, there's no need for modern "love".

>>966318
>/tg/'s still good. Hell, they're a lot better off than us, I'd say.

Lies. I used to visit /tg/ often, but it's full of furries and tripfags nowadays. Maybe it always was, but the amounts have gradually increased. But I do browse it occasionally and I agree that it is one of the better boards.

As you can see we have a pattern here: The nerdier the board, the longer it lasts.

>>966323

We've had a whole lot of horrible "i'm a girl lulz" since summer began, maybe you were just lucky enough to miss it. Hell, there was one in this very thread, though he deleted his post.

And, of course, every board has some actual girls that are thankfully smart enough to keep it to themselves. Misogyny's fine and all, but it's not as if the vagina is all it takes to make a board cancer. All it takes is for someone to SAY they have one, the reality of it isn't even relevant.

>>966350
Sorry, I'm too far gone. I hate women and everything they represent.

Women don't have proper emotions like a man, they only have superficial and childish feelings. They don't have (or *feel*) curiosity, apathy, wonder, brotherhood and other such complex feelings. A womans psyche is just like a childs, oh yeah she does get "sad" buts thats just being upset, she can never feel real despondency and heavy-heartedness. She may be happy but this is just giddyness, she could never have true elation and happyness that a man can feel.

Why do women like to be treated bad? Beacuse they don't really feel bad, they lack the emotional growth that men go through to really feel thier emotions, and effectively their lot in life is to ergo be a fuckslut cumdumpster (I mean, think about it for a minute, that is what they were DESIGNED to do).

This is shown in how they themselves consider thier emotions, to them tired and "hyper" are emotions, even hungry is somthing they'd call a "feeling".

Sometimes when I go outside, I am so thankful to be outside I feel like crying

A couple hours later, after doing my food shopping and (if I'm feeling brave) going to buy a burger or a sandwich and eating out, all I want to do is get back home.

There isn't anyone waiting for me home, I live alone. I just...I don't understand it myself.

I've lived like this for 2 years. Longest I've gone without going outdoors is about 2 weeks, I have to buy food eventually obviously.

Tap water builds character.

>>966323
>/tg/ and /jp/ are both decent boards (though lets be honest, /tg/ is better than us), both have absolutely NO 'femanons' too.

On /tg/ these comments would start a huge shitstorm as the knights in a shining armor charge to defend hypothetical females that might potentially read this thread and reward sir Fapalot and his brave knights with sex.

>>966381
Same on /jp/ and /a/ really, if it were during peak hours. Ironic thing is women biologically view a defense of them as weakness, they LIKE being abused, treated like a whore, because that's what they really are at the heart of it.

>>966370
I'll agree only if you correct your spelling.

Never trust a person that lacks understanding of a cause-effect relationship when dealing with emotions.

>>966353

Nothing wrong with that. But an Anonymous with a vagina can be just as good or bad as an Anonymous without one, so long as that Anonymous keeps their vagina to themselves. Because no matter how little you think of women (and holy shit if you're the one posting all those rants you are pretty fucking extreme, dude, I mean I thought I was bad but goddamn) you have to acknowledge that there will always be at least one or two exceptions to every rule.

>>966391

We fortunately have only a very few white knights from what I've seen in the threads that got turned to shit from "lulz im a girl look at me" bullshit, but they're just as intolerable whether there's one or a million of them.

>>966433
Why am I extreme?

>>966180
>I dream of a day when we won't need women anymore, where we can produce ovaries in a lab.

Why stop there? It might be possible to create genetically modified females who are loyal and truly love you, just you and because you are you. She could be genetically programmed to have the type of personality you want her to have, for example tendency to develope similiar interests.

Think about it Anonymous.

I can assure you, all you see from women and girls in public is the face they put out when they're around others. Internally, men and women don't behave very differently. All these things these rants are going on about are thanks to institutionalization and social learning. So if you want to blame something, blame society. But don't assume anyone's inherently a total jackass.

>>966447
YOU CAN GROW THEM ANY AGE YOU WANT

>>966469
Why blame society? The non-existence of any community or cohesive society is the VERY FUCKING REASON women behave the way they do. Women will only behave themselves with the fear of hell inside of them, as some other anonymous pointed out. Otherwise they are like dogs in heat.

>>966469
...I already did blame society, which is why I intend to leave the country.

>>966447
Is this actually possible, could we identify the genes that signify who a girl is attracted to and work from there?

>>966469
Men evolved to be violent killers, women to be mothers. The flip side of violence is loyalty and honor, of motherhood greed and treachery. Violence is far easier to suppress.

>>966469
>But don't assume anyone's inherently a total jackass.

Not everyone, but most are.

I think you're all missing the point when bringing up society, women are genetically predisposed to find assholes attractive. What are you going to do exactly /jp/, fight biology itself? You cant do that. Women will always love the big, strong dude who has the balls to slap her on the ass and tell her to her face he wants to fuck her.

You simply cant compete with that.

lol anon's view of females are fucked because they got fucked over by them.

>>966469
Blame SOCIETY?

Each and every one of us is an independent entity fundamentally separate from the others. We're born to make our own decisions.

Just because society gave us these rules doesn't mean it isn't our own fault for not breaking them. How many of us break ordinary societal rules every day? These rules aren't meant to be followed because they exist, they're meant to be challenged; in time, once you understand cause-and-effect, you'll make your own rules, and every one will have their own personal reason as to why they exist.
Don't blame the tool when the user is at fault.

>>966555
Hi there woman, dont have anything tangible to offer so you resort to ad homs? What a surprise....

>>966540

Just because I'm Anonymous doesn't mean I'm not big and strong.

But I will never have anything to do with a 3D woman anyway. Filthy, disgusting, vapid whores.

>>966500
>Is this actually possible, could we identify the genes that signify who a girl is attracted to and work from there?

Yes, it is in theory possible to program a female to prefer certain type of males. It is also in theory possible to alter females tendency to respond to kindness, injustice, social status and such. We know that behaviours like these have a strong genetic component.

I said in theory, as our current level of scientific understanding is a bit lacking. Also, accurate programming ( making her love you and just you ) would require more than altering the expression of existing genes in a direct and straightforward manner, I guess. So don't expect you perfect girl to become reality in next 10 years.

>>966567
umm I'm a guy and I was just saying that girls aren't that bad. Just because anon got a bitch doesn't mean they all are. That's like saying if someone met a /b/tard they assume everyone on 4chan is one.

>>966581
That's incredible.... We simply wont have any need for women anymore!

>>966591
>I'm a guy
>ummm

No you're not, 3 years of being on this shithole has at least shown me how easy 'femanons' are to spot.

>Just because anon got a bitch

We haven't got anyone you stupid whore.

>>966605
>ummm

I'm glad I'm not the only one who notices that as a feminine trait.

>>966591
YOU OBVIOUSLY DON'T KNOW HOW MOST PEOPLE WORK, THEN.

>>966605
looks like u need to lurk more

>>966591
>That's like saying if someone met a /b/tard they assume everyone on 4chan is one.

DOHOHOHOHO

>>966591
You're young, probably underage b&, and like most of us once were you're in denial that such a fucked up situation could possibly be truth. Eventually you'll realize that, yes, ALL females really are that bad. I can only hope you'll figure it out for yourself without too much suffering, because you're sure to ignore the good advice of your elders just like we did.

>>966618
>looks like u need to lurk more
>u

ugh god.

Just dont deny you're a woman when it's so blindingly obvious you herpes infested whore.

>>966628
19 and I'm probably a lurked here than most of you.

>>966593
>That's incredible.... We simply wont have any need for women anymore!

Well, women wouldn't have any need for men anymore as it would be possible to create males as well. Although, most women want more from their ideal man than just true love, like social status and resources (money). This has made a lot of sense during evolution, but it just isn't possible to genetically engineer someone to be rich and famous. Sure, it might be possible to program a male to be ambitous, smart and charming, but having a even more psychopathic assholes running around trying to earn as much money and status as they can would probably damage the society more than having lovely genetically engineered women running around and being cute or whatever they are supposed to do.

>>966630
"Whore" is a poor insult, because all females are whores. The pros take cash, but the amateurs require much higher prices.

The man that can control:
1-Anxiety.
2-Roneryness.
3-Sexual urge.
4-HIS FUCKING MIND.

will be the king of kings.

>>966649
if all women are whores, than we should all be getting laid.

>>966639
>>966618
>>966591

>more psychopathic assholes running around trying to earn as much money and status as they can

There can be MORE? We're already vastly outnumbered as is....
Also-- suck it, capitalism

>>966618
>u
Looks like you need to get the fuck out and learn proper English.

>>966658
I has pics to prove I'm a male

>>966651
Anxiety is mostly caused by female driven social conditioning in your childhood, and roneryness and sex drive will eventually be solved with robots. We're unlucky to be born too early.

>>966639
>19 and I'm probably a lurked here than most of you.

You're a poor parody of an even poorer parody.

>>966616
Yep, there are certain buzzwords or phrases or attitudes that can tip you off to whether a poster is female or not.

For example, use the word 'whore' on a board like /b/ or /r9k/ and wait for the obligatory couple of responses that say something like 'lol virgin' and 'so wen a man doz it he is a 'stud' but when a woman doz it she is a whore, u r an idiot!'

>>966073
Sex can easily be no better than masturbation but it can also be far better.

Think of it this way. A simple hug can mean almost nothing or it can be deeply moving depending on the situation. The same principle applies to sex.

(please don't call me a normalfag because I'm not a virgin, there are ways to be fucked up that don't prevent you from getting laid once every few years)

>>966639
Facepalm.exe

Don't turn this into a numbers game you can't POSSIBLY win.

>>966655
You can't afford amateur whores, but save up enough and even ronery Anonymous can afford a pro. You'll regret it later. Virginity is a blessing.

>>966661

Capitalism isn't really that bad way to organize a group of people to work efficiently. Just like basketball isn't really that bad game. But there's a difference between playing basketball with your friends and playing with huge aggressive semi-criminal assholes who really REALLY want to win and will constantly try to puch you or stab you.

>>966673
>Yep, there are certain buzzwords or phrases or attitudes that can tip you off to whether a poster is female or not.

Truth.

>>966655
>whores, than we should all be
>than we should
>than
underage b&, get out.

>>966684
Yeah, funny how rules agreed to in good confidence are nothing more than air in the face of desire nowadays.

I don't fault capitalism per se.... but it makes an excellent scapegoat.

>>966651

Working on 1 and 4, 2 and 3 are easy but 4's gonna be a real bitch.

>>966695
>funny how rules agreed to in good confidence are nothing more than air in the face of desire nowadays

Hear hear.

>>966675
Don't worry, I know the difference. However, giving something value simply because you desire it is an extremely dangerous game.

Know WHY you want something before you commit to obtaining it.

>>966651
>3-Sexual urge.

Isn't that one controlled by fapping?

>>966651
DAMN, only #2 to worry about.

I will one day be your king.

>>966675
I think its their smell than makes sex good

I have seen porn where women are face fucked and shit, absolutely DESTROYED, I wonder how women can live with themselves after doing such shameful things. Don't they have any dignity?

I love how the standard response of women in this situation is to say something like

">shameful
>dignity

lol ur a christfag!"

Basically, women consider the concept of having dignity a patriarchal concept and ergo having no shame is the apogee of feminine achievement.

>>966726
the money is good + low self esteem = good pron in the future.

>>966726
>ergo having no shame is the apogee of feminine achievement.

QFT, fucks sake.
People forget that just because you CAN do something, doesn't mean you SHOULD.

>>966733
agreed, the porn is good, but I have this kind of eternal murmuring in the back of my head that goes along the lines of 'How the fuck can women DO this to themselves? are they REALLY this worthless and have such low self-esteem?'

>>966726
>Don't they have any dignity
They probably lost it long ago.

>>966740
lol like the fuckers on Jackass

>>966726

I don't see how anything porn-related can be shamefull and I personally don't want my women to be saints in bed.

>>966739
Exactly, it's like the popularity of sex and the city. Sex and the city, very simply, takes the worst qualities of men and says "Hey, look, women are equal too because they embody these shitty qualities too!" it makes it okay to be slutty, stupid, vapid, shallow and, frankly, worthless.

>>966750
Exactly.

>>966760
You don't see how it can be shameful? Because, you know, being fucked in the throat, throwing up, forced to eat cum out of a dog bowl isn't 'shameful'? You are either delusional or a woman if you think that isn't shameful.

And there's a complete difference between being in a relationship with a woman and a woman who does porn.

>>966750
woman spotted.

>>966760
I don't understand your sense of dignity at all.

And a saint in bed? YES PLEASE.
I'm not there for my fucking benefit; I can go fap at any time, so there's n o need for me to be overly-concerned with "being pleased", and I'd rather it go the other way.

>>966777
what did you base this on this time? "lol"?

>>966787
>And a saint in bed? YES PLEASE.

Truth. Honestly, anyone who fucking complains about 'not being satisfied' with a woman is a piece of shit whose had women handed to him on a golden platter since he was 13 by virtue of good looks, money or whatever. Once you experience ronery, you realise that sexual urges are just another 'need' that can be 'taken care of' like eating for example.

>>966799
>what did you base this on this time? "lol"?

Er, have you seen any porn?

Also, lrn2english you underage b& slut.

I wish I could have a normal woman. Not normal in the sense of how women are actually normal, but what I'd prefer normal would be. You know, not a stupid fucking whore. That kind of thing. A "saint in bed" would be wonderful.

>>966740
>'How the fuck can women DO this to themselves? are they REALLY this worthless and have such low self-esteem?'

Easy money. Also, if this makes you BAWWWWW you lose the right to whine how women are shallow and don't want to fuck you. You feel that the woman on your monitor is "worthless" because during evolution women have normally been very picky when it comes to maiting. For the same reason women bitch if another woman is sexually more active than them, as it decreases the value of what they have to offer. The monkey inside all of us can't comprehend that the situation has changed and we have magical thing called contraception that prevents women becoming useless for 9 months.

>>966763
>Sex and the city

For some reason I fucking hated that show.

>>966801
Just like there are different tastes in food there are in women, so they are not interchangeable.

I for one like women who are responsive (cums easily and who makes it pretty obvious that I'm making her feel good). If a woman just lays there I may as well be masturbating.

>>966808
I am not a fuckin WOMANZ

>>966824
>I for one like women who are responsive (cums easily and who makes it pretty obvious that I'm making her feel good). If a woman just lays there I may as well be masturbating.

What the fuck are you even doing here normalfag?

>>966821

fucking normalfags everywhere...

>>966777
>Because, you know, being fucked in the throat, throwing up, forced to eat cum out of a dog bowl isn't 'shameful'?

Just like cleaning toilets. Or sticking your hand into someones shitty asshole or yeast infected vagina ( it sure is fun to be a doctor ). Shitty job, but you get money from it.

>>966834
This is the most predictable response to my post I could have imagined.

I do not fit into the little hole you cut out for me (normalfag) so use your brain and actually think of something else to say.

>>966824
I know this is going to come straight out of left field, considering where we are, but if she's a cold fish, YOU'RE DOING IT WRONG.

This is the downside to a religious upbringing-- the massive amounts of personal shame one feels even when abiding by the rules makes it extremely difficult to loosen up and actually enjoy it.

Raise them in ignorance, and they'll be free of both expectations of otherworldly pleasure and fears of otherworldly damnation.

>>966845

There's cleaning toilets and then there's being a toilet.

>>966840
>fucking normalfags everywhere

No. I just think that the combination of your "high moral values", puppy eyes, naive way of thinking and your "misogynism" is just fucking pathetic,

It's ok to hate women, Anonymous hates women in a quite rational manner. But you just make me facepalm.

>>966847
Prove you don't fit the mold first.

>>966850
Since this thread has become a shitstorm I'll go ahead and respond with my "normalfaggotry"

Yes, I could be DOING IT WRONG. But it would be doing it wrong for that particular woman because other women respond well. But that just goes more to my point, people are different, and I think my original point was just that you can't just get a woman and expect her to meet your needs.

Bleh, this doesn't belong in this thread, but it's dead anyway. Sorry.

>>966874
i second this.

>>966851
>There's cleaning toilets and then there's being a toilet.

And there's nothing wrong in being a toilet.

It's funny. You dislike women who do horrible porn, and the women who do horrible porn dislike you just as much because you are a loser.

>>966876
That is impossible because anybody that can talk from personal experience about sex is labeled as a normalfag.

I fit that mold but its stupid and I consider it the most ridiculous aspect of /jp/.

>>966880
...you just saged a thread that's been on autosage for over an hour.

I actually absorbed your point quite well, but my counterpoint is, in good Carlin fashion, "DROP SOME OF YOUR NEEDS".

If you're there to get something out of it, you're doing it wrong. It's the non-sexual aspects of sex that make it worthwhile.

>>966893

you're replying to the wrong guy, that wasn't even me.

anyway, you have that whole 'i'm going to stand up for women in order to delineate myself from 4chan and show what an awesome dude i am who gets loads of girls and breaks the stereotype' going on, so ill leave you to it.

>>966904
>I fit that mold

So you go to clubs, fuck lots of girls and shit?

The 'mold' and what is associated with it is there for a very good fucking reason. You need look no further for that reason than what makes up the front page on neo-/b/.

>>966904
>I fit that mold but its stupid and I consider it the most ridiculous aspect of /jp/.

So do I, but let's face it: the real normalfags ruined 4chan. Therefore it's understandable that people who have had sex or have a girlfriend/wife are second class citizen. First it's "my girlfriend blaablaablaa" and soon it's "hay any femanons here would u cheer me up I'm sad" ( I saw this thread on /b/ ). Slippery slope.

.>>966893
>being a toilet

Let's not play the motivations game; we could be here awhile.

Point is, if you're doing something that could make people think less of you, you might want to re-evaluate why you're doing it.

>>966893

>And there's nothing wrong in being a toilet.

There's a lot wrong with it, but if you have no self-respect or dignity whatsoever and only care about money then I guess it's great.

>>966912
I know the thread is autosaged. When I sage it says more about how I feel about my own post. Anyway.

I can see what you are saying and I'll consider it.

My experience is very limited anyway. People here act like there is a huge difference between me and them because I'm not a virgin. But seriously, when normal people have sex hundreds of times a year what difference is there between me and a virgin when I've had sex 15 times in my entire life.

>>966904
Would you believe the word of a wealthy man if he said money was worthless?

If yes, is that because he's already in agreement with a previous assumption of yours?

Rolll with me, this is going somewhere.

>>966913
Agreed, totally. I see SO much of this on other boards it's untrue. The whole 'I like women who are 'sexually experienced'' (read: whores), the ones who support sex positive feminism and so on.

Deep down, they know it's bullshit, and they know they'd never want a serious relationship with a total whore, but they pretend to stick up for them anyway in order to draw a distinction between themselves and the virgins on 4chan. Ironically enough it ends up making them look MORE pathetic.

>>966913
>'anyway, you have that whole 'i'm going to stand up for women in order to delineate myself from 4chan and show what an awesome dude i am who gets loads of girls and breaks the stereotype' going on, so ill leave you to it.

This is fucking absurd. Normally I'm the guy who is called misogynist and sages threads when faggots play knight in a shining armor . And now, when I'm saying that acting in filthy porn isn't shamefull as "shame" as a concept is a bit retarded considering that for example in this case there is no harm done to anyone, you imply that I'm a fucking normalfag. Holy shit.

This is 4chan, you idiot.

>>966930
>>966935
No, I do not club or party or have sex hundreds of times a second.

I am not a normalfag, but I get labeled that because I dare to speak from personal experience about the sex I've had (which is very limited, but I'm speaking my personal opinion, not giving advice).

I should just not mention it, because it gets me labeled as something I'm not.

Just saying that to /jp/ normalfag = non-virgin when I think it should mean your average college student.

>>966940
>if you're doing something that could make people think less of you, you might want to re-evaluate why you're doing it.

People think less of you because you fap to animu girls and browse 4chan. And you don't even get payed for doing it.

>>966956
We don't hate you because you're a non virgin. Well, I'm sure SOME of us do, but who cares anyway.

We're calling you on your desire for something inherently mainstream. Fucks sake, I was married once!

You're talking about loving spicy food when you're amongst those who can't or won't eat. Naturally, mainly the vitriol is bitterness, but I think they've earned at least a little.

Those of us who HAVE had the experience, most of us never want it again because a purely sexual desire is driven by the traits we do not posess.

>>966959
Well, lets say that the virgin is penniless
The normalfag is wealthy and says money is worthless

In this case I'm a guy who managed to save a couple of bucks once but even then I spent it on stupid shit.

>>966979
"People" also think money is what makes the world go 'round, that America is always right, and that Hitler was actually a nice guy; "people" don't know my identity here at any rate, so I don't need to worry about sullying my name or my face. and I remember you from yesterday, you spelled paid wrong.

Yay for misanthropy. I'm gonna go listen to Solely Concentrating on the Negative Aspects of Life now.

>>966995
>and I remember you from yesterday, you spelled paid wrong.

No you don't. Yesterday was my "4chan is nowadays full of idiots and normalfags" day, therefore I didn't post here.

>>966995
>"People" also think money is what makes the world go 'round,

It does. I don't like it either, but shit sucks.

>>966981
This was a really good analogy. I did not really realize it. Even if I have a lot in common with most people on /jp/ any insight I have into sex and relationships even from my meager experience is just gonna cause bad reactions no matter how well meaning I am.

I'll just keep it to myself from now on.

Fuck.

Normalfags, spend your summer somewhere else.

>>966968
>shame as a concept

If you want to go all animalistic about this, we can. Shame is a manmade construct. So is society, so is justice, so is "love" to a degree. We've cast aside the ways of pure animals, even though we be animals ourselves. Why pick and choose? Why not go for the whole Anarchy package, because Lord knows I'm game.

Or, we can cast that aside, and throw away our base desires. Think through our wants and needs and come to understand what we want in life and what we really need. Protip: It's not money.

>>966992
Well, you derailed that pretty effectively....
but it seems like I got my point across elsewhere.

>>967026
>If you want to go all animalistic about this, we can.

Alright.

>So is society

We are social animals, we are genetically programmed due evolution to form societies.

>so is justice

Sense of justice, right and wrong, is also genetically determined. Even monkeys have a sense of justice.

>Why not go for the whole Anarchy package, because Lord knows I'm game.

Anarchy doesn't work.

>Or, we can cast that aside, and throw away our base desires.

There are many religions centered around this. There's no reason to reinvent the wheel.

>>967050
Sorry, I'm allergic to rhetoric. I tend to try to frustrate it even when it is well meaning or good natured.

But if you are the one who made the analogy about the gourmet among the starving then that hit me like a ton of bricks (I happen to like analogies).

I still feel more like I'm a starving kid who managed to find a piece of slightly chewed gum once and everybody got jealous over it. But I can see how my protests of "its just gum!" might be considered bad.

>>967056
"Sense of justice, right and wrong, is also genetically determined.

wat?

>>966968
I see, you are nihilistic then, there are countless manmade concepts that we could abandon if we wish. Feminism is one, feminism certainly isn't grounded in biological fact. Let's abandon it.

I'm of the opinion that hedonism is degenerate and it contributes nothing other than to a society's eventual downfall. Shame is closely tied in with this, if you have no sense of shame, the pendulum swings to hedonism.

>>967026
>Think through our wants and needs and come to understand what we want in life and what we really need. Protip: It's not money.

Alright, I'm going to bed. This discussion isn't going nowhere and thread is on autosage.

I think you are a good person, although delusional and naive. That's probably because you're young. Being a good person is a merit, eventhough likes of you are the ones who are the first to throw stones and burn people on stakes. It's good to be a good person, world needs more good people and don't stop being a good person.

But to balance this I think ( I know ) that you're an idiot.

>>967056
sorry, but animals are programmed to "socialize", not build societies. Our inborn social instincts are indeed what make us feel lonely when we don't have contact with people, and what makes us go crazy from solitary confinement. But they are not what drives society at large. our nurtured traits take care of that.

Justice != morality. Justice = Fairness, and we all know this world isn't fair. Lots of people get shit piled on them needlessly, look at Africa ffs.

>Anarchy doesn't work
dohoho. Communism doesn't work either, yet there's Cuba, just TAUNTING us. You need to define "work" before you can make this statement and have it be accurate.

I'm not inventing a religion here, I'm saying you don't need a religious structure to come to the belief that we should learn to question ourselves better than we do. I'm not reinventing anything, I'm removing extraneous parts. I have no idea why we're even discussing this point anyway, it's thoroughly unrelated.

>>967097
C'mon now, I only stepped in to question your position on dignity, don't mistake me for the guy who's foaming at the mouth about someone who's had sex before.

>>967078
>I still feel more like I'm a starving kid who managed to find a piece of slightly chewed gum once and everybody got jealous over it. But I can see how my protests of "its just gum!" might be considered bad.

It's patently obvious what the general impression towards normalfaggotry is on /jp/. Can you really blame us given the correlation between normalfaggotry and /b/tarded-ness? Look at /r9k/, they honestly think they're better than any other board when it's simply a slower, more elitist version of /b/. Same relationship advice, sex advice, posturing internet tough guy/'gentleman' hybrid attitude.

That's what I'm so fascinated about by normalfags, I mean, there's only SO many times you can discuss sex and relationships on /b/ and /r9k/, surely?

>>967159
Yeah, It is obvious how /jp/ feels about normalfaggotry. But I still managed to be surprised when I see that label being applied to me.

I am in some kind of neither world. I'm too shy and socially awkward to be a "normalfag." Yet I am not completely disabled like many who shared their feelings in this thread (although I've had very similar thoughts and feelings).

It is very binary. /jp/ sees things as 0 or 1. The truth is that social behavior goes from 0 to 1,000,000 where a normalfag may be 500,000 and to be accepted here you have to be from 0-100. The thing is I'm only like a 500 so I instantly get grouped the /b/-tards when I really can't stand them.

>>967252
After being here so many years, I just accept that's how it works. I let the loons have their position, but keep mine to myself if it's against board sentiment.
Is there really anything you could tell someone and have them listen if they don't want to hear it? of course not.

Influence through subtlety, not argument.

>>967291
That is my normal policy. I was just being dense when it came to this. Or stubborn.

>>965879
sounds like me, or what will become of me. I HAD the cute girl to save me, but was too scared to ask her number.

>I dream of playing with my friends. I wonder why because I decided that I don't need any friends any more.
Oh god, I have this. Except I'm dreaming about really old friends from when I was like ten or twelve. Now that I think about it that's the last time I actually had friends I liked, all the other friends I ever had after that were complete shit and I was only faking socializing at that point before I eventually stopped even bothering. I wish to be ten again.