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>>999128
First off, I think everyone on /c/ can agree to the following:
1. No one wants to be jerks to these OPs. We’ve all been new to the board at some point and people make honest mistakes.
2. The more cute pictures, the better.
3. Considering #2, it’s better and more effective to encourage OPs to contribute some pics to their thread instead of telling them to “take it to /r/” where their results will be somewhat questionable. We avoid one-post threads while being more helpful at the same time.

So here’s what I propose: We create a SET RESPONSE that can be copy-pasted into each of these /r/ and non-contribution threads that will politely lay out that we would appreciate some sort of cute picture contribution from the OP themselves to get things started while at the same time PROVIDING LINKS to the main image websites to not only give them a source for their contributions but also to give them other resources that may help prevent further request threads.

The key here is “SET RESPONSE.” Right now, we’ve got people responding to these threads with replies that range from polite and helpful to angry and insulting. If we get a set response that everyone can agree upon, we not only save ourselves time by copying-pasting, we give a CONSISTENT and helpful message to these OPs and to everyone browsing the board which not only addresses the current situation but may also cut back on the future quantity of these threads as lurkers and future posters view the message.

[message continued in next posts]

>>999132
Here’s a very rough version of what I have so far:

OP –
Since your post is either a request or the beginning of a themed thread, the people of /c/ would like to request that you start things off by contributing 5-10 cute pics of your own (if you don’t have anything relevant to your thread, then any cute pics will do). Doing this not only bumps your thread to page 1 every time, it also gets people’s attention which improves your chances while contributing to /c/.

If you don’t have any cute pictures yet, try checking any of these great image sites:
http://danbooru.donmai.us/
http://gelbooru.com/
http://konachan.com/
http://images.google.com/

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

I’d like to open things up to discussion now. What are people’s thoughts? What areas need to be reworded or, is this entire idea not worth pursuing? (If the overall consensus is that it isn’t, we’ll just make this a random cute image thread.)

In the meantime, I’m going to be slowly posting a random selection of cute pictures.

Oh, and sorry for the giant walls of text.

/c/ is a slow board
Unless you are too lazy to venture past the first page, then it isn't a problem. And if you ARE too lazy to venture past the first page, then that is YOUR problem.

>>999147
Not quite following that. Could you explain a bit more?

For you, OP
>>999144
>>999158

Not necessarily "cute" but we still get plenty of these in /c/.

This is a little more like it.

>>999160
My eyes! They burn!

>>999160
This is the face I make when I see those threads these days.

Some days, this is what I feel like doing.

>>999165
that's so CUUUUUUUUUUUTE, makes me want to make even MORE of them!!!

>>999147
But I agree with OP. /c/ has been very odd the past year. In the first 4 years of 4chan we got 400,000 posts. Now in less than 2 we've gotten 600,000. /c/ has been moving faster than I've ever known. We used to have threads last WEEKS.

You would start a thread with Mint or Sakura and you could literally wait days before you needed to bump the thread now you only have hours before it's gone. I never finished my Shuffle! dump because I've had school to attend to and the threads died in a matter of hours.

I'm with you OP. You have my loli battlesuit.

>>999169
Glad to have you. That's also a frickin' awesome battle suit for a loli.

>>999168
Did you make one like this? If so, it's one of the greatest moments in the otherwise-mediocre series.

Don't you have days where you wish you could just do this?

I have been coming here for a few years now, and I really have no problem with any kind of thread. I prefer lawlessness. As long as a given thread lasts about a day, I'm happy.

"What's that Lassie? OP's a faggot trying to spam the board to get the 1Mil get?"

>>999184
"OMG girl! You're right!!"

>>999188
Haha, I don't give a crap about people and their "OMG 1M POST!!!111!1" hype. Since you've pointed it out, I honestly hope I don't get it now.

>>999188
>>999184
And it's not like you're aiming for it. Oh no.

Tell ya what, if it looks like we're getting close to your beloved 1 millionth post, I'll hold off for a while so people who actually care might have a better chance for their moment of glory.

Everyone ends up happy. ^_^

>>999128
I agree with you, OP, entirely. I may be relatively new to /c/ (a couple months here), but my opinions match yours. The new useless flow of threads is making /c/ less enjoyable than it can be. Let's be /c/ivil to the OPs who contribute to this problem, but make sure they get the point on how they need to contribute to their threads.

I will support this thread's /c/utometer with my Tenma.

>>999222
It's always an honor to have the support of the Dedede.

I'm actually going to take a break for a while. This thread has a healthy set for now and it's got room to expand in the event we see some major discussin'.

Also, leaving space for you 1M post-getters now that I'm seeing how many threads/posts are up right now. O_O

>>999227 now that I'm seeing how many threads/posts are DISCUSSING IT right now

Sorry, I fail comprehensive English.

>>999225
Heh, I like the title I've gotten now. :D Sometimes being a namefag pays off.

And I'm sorry certain (>>999184) trolls from /b/ have been bothering you. Any actual /c/itizen wouldn't be that rude. I know this isn't an attempt at securing the GET, this is a legitimate issue that merits a discussion. But we should prepare ourselves, however... We're nearing the big post and more of that Anon's type will start appearing...

I don't mind sincere requests as long as the OP posts a few pics, even if they're not related. I think five is not that unreasonable of a number to expect.

There is also another problem here in /c/ concerning 'lame' single posts and troll posts. We should try our best to ignore them and let them fade away. If, for some reason, you feel the need to make a comment please remember to put SAGE in the e-mail field. There is nothing worse that seeing an Anon responding with "Reported" or "This is spam. Get out!" without saging and sending the 'lame' post back to the top.

>>999184
You get used to snide comments like this after awhile and they're not always /b/tards making them either. I don't know how many times I've gotten 'guro' or 'hentai' images with the comment "Is this exotic enough for you?"

>>999241
Can't agree more on that point, /c/itizen. ...I'll admit for a time I didn't know how to use saging and contributed a bit to that problem. Thankfully, I learned from my mistakes and broke that habit. Hopefully others will learn the same. Was it perhaps you who told me that I should be using sage instead of bumping bad threads back up? :P

Yeah, I shouldn't have just pinned it on /b/, there are other assholes who occasionally come here as well. Best just to ignore them, I suppose... We all know who's really a /c/itizen and who's not by pretty easily identifiable traits.

And out of curiosity, does that mean you're the Exotic Thread OP? (just assuming because of the troll example you gave, "is that exotic enough for you?")

I believe 'polite education' is what we need here in /c/. In the past I've tried to help guide a few new Anons post better threads. It would be nice if all new posts had a minimum of five images to start them off, but it would also be nice if we could at least get a bit of a 'write up' too. I cringe when I see "ITT: Sakura", or "MOAR" and that's it.

We should also agree on what not to use when educating newcomers. PROTIP: is one of my pet peeves.

>>999243
Yes, I'm the 'Exotic" Anon and I've also tried to help educate many people here on /c/ on the proper use of SAGE. Spam and troll crap can be very frustrating. I've felt the urge many times to vent my frustrations by replying once in awhile. I also try my best to be polite as well and I hope I haven't rubbed anyone the wrong way here in /c/.

I completely agree with you, OP. Although most of us are anonymous here on 4chan and we can be rude without getting judged (because no one would know it was them), I still believe in politeness... at the very least on /c/. I think your idea can contribute to the board in a positive way. I also dislike seeing newcomers get scared away by trolls/rude anons.

>>999248
Polite education is a great way to describe this. We have a reputation as a /c/ivilized board, and we need to treat ignorant Anons as is fitting of such a place. And yes, PROTIPs are obnoxious. I don't want /c/ being thought of as a bunch of pompous /a/ssholes.
>>999258
In that case, thank you for two things: First, for your fantastic string of Exotic Clothing threads, and second for it was probably you who taught me how to sage. The way you word your education is very polite, from what I've seen (I'm guessing what I've seen was you), so keep it up. I doubt anyone will take it as a rude "protip".

>>999279
Thank you. The exotic threads are basically my gift to /c/. I also like to help out and contribute to other threads here in /c/. I consider this place my home away from home, a san/c/tuary from the real world. It's a nice peaceful place to unwind for awhile.

Now I admit I've been guilty of not always playing 'nice'. I, as well as many others here in /c/ (don't deny it), participated in the two Pedo no Jikan wars. Fortunately, I've gotten that all out of my system.

>>999307
Heh, we all make mistakes. The truest folks admit to them entirely without stretching the truth in their favor. I wasn't around on /c/ during the Pedo no Jiken wars, actually... I'm too new, I suppose. :P

/c/ is indeed a san/c/tuary. This place is a calm and kind novelty for both 4chan and the internet as a whole. The moment I first looked at this board I thought, "Wow, why didn't anyone tell me how great this place is?" I'll admit I love to play around on /b/ for the sake of comedy, but /c/ will always be my home.

>>999248
I find PROTIP: really negative and annoying. Could I also make a suggestion. Can we use new/c/omer or new Anon instead of 'newfag'? It works on other boards, but /c/ is a polite exception.

Awesome. I'm glad to see at least a chunk of us are on the same wavelength. I also agree that "polite education" is a very nice way of labeling this approach.

So we agree that there's a problem and while we can't prevent some things (spambots, spam/trolls, people replying to the board and not the thread), we'd like to try and address the ones we can (request threads, GO! threads, etc.). I've already proposed one way of going about this but I think it would be worthwhile if we consider whether any other approaches might be viable or preferable before proceeding.

Anyone have other ideas? Also, would a shorter message for replied-to-the-board threads detailing how to delete the thread be worthwhile? It'd see even less in terms of results (unless maybe we don't sage) but frankly at this point I'm willing to consider anything.

>>999344
Capital idea, Anon. Although I haven't seen the term used much on /c/ to begin with, I also think we should call new users something more /c/ivilized. Even if it's just "new person" or something lacking in creativity.

By the way, everyone. Someone absolutely needs to archive this thread. I'm pretty sure everyone here agrees with that... This has been a very insightful discussion, I believe. With /c/ute pictures no less.

>>999344
Agreed with you and everyone else that PROTIP doesn't really give off a good tone. Good point on the newfag thing, too (I really dislike that one). But I do think that a lot of these gripes would be addressed to some degree with the set response.

So I think we're all for being polite as a lot of these OPs are just new to the boards and honestly don't know any better.

Any other things people think we should consider taking into account?

>>999355
I think a brief "how to delete a stray post" statement would be grand. I've personally missed the occasional thread before and it was nice to have a friendly Anon guide me on how to delete my mistake.

>>999373
Oh, and just to nitpick myself: when I say "we're all in agreement," I mean the people who are discussing on this board so far. I think we DO reflect the /c/ mentality, but I won't assume to speak for everyone. (Had some people take offense with this earlier in the week. :P )

>>999365
Agreed on the archiving bit. Someone else will have to do it since I haven't the slightest clue how to.

heres a bigger problem than the ten page knock offs, but it may also have a solution for that as well.
Have you ever logged on to 4chan to find you have been banned for an offence you didnt commit? I have, 3 times now. and its all thanks to people useing proxy software to hide their identity while braking the rules. banning I.P. addresses olny works to keep the honest people out. the real problem people just get right back in. its a downward spiral and its pointless, soon we'll all be banned, 4chan needs to use a standard but anonymous membership system, where olny members are allowed to start new threads, and are able to police their own threads, this will free up 4chan staff to deal with other reports more quickly and together weed out the abuserers, rather than trying to ban them baced on their IP. they just use proxy and change it, takes 5 seconds, its like trying to catch a shape shifter,its impossible, it the end we get locked away in his place.

>>999434
Hmm, I've honestly never heard of that happening to other people. Anyone else seen this kind of thing? Not that I don't believe you, but was there anything accidental you might have done that someone could have reported like posting an LOLcat in /c/?

I'm probably not knowledgeable enough when it comes to IPs and what 4chan could do to combat them - though I assume this is what all the spambots are doing so it might be something of greater relevance than just /c/...

>>999383
No worries, I'll give you a quick lesson on how to make an archive request.

1) Go to http://4chanarchive.org/
2) Under the header "Special features" you will see request interface. Click it.
3) Look for "submit thread". It should already be highlighted. If not, click it.
4) Select archive request.
5) Enter this threads id number 999128
6) Make sure to select /c/ as the board.
7) Enter the captcha (which is found directly underneath)
8) Click submit.
9) Done. Unfortunately 4 other people have to do the same in order to move this thread to the final approval stage. The Mods then decide if your thread is good enough to archive.

I hope that this helps anyone wishing to archive. Don't worry about this thread. I can make a direct archive request with my gold account. (It's now up for final approval)

>>999434
Eh... As much as I agree that that's a valid problem, this thread is for /c/'s personal conflicts. Perhaps you should take your issue with 4chan's management. This thread was created for the discussion of something a bit smaller than what you've told me, and I'd like to keep it that way.

>>999442
Many thanks for the instructions, my friend. When this thread is archived I'll go back to it as a means of viewing how to archive things. :D

>>999439
I spend most of my time in ?c? because it clean, but one of my bans accused me of posting child porn. NOT A CHANCE IN HELL!!!
(sorry about that out burst but you get the point.) Stranger still, the first time i logged on to 4chan, I was Banned permanently for an offence a year earlier, before I even had internet, then again just today. and this time it said for multiple offences. Olny reason I'm on right now is i'm useing proxy, it against the rule but technicly its the olny rule ive broken, id sure like to have my canadian and u.s baced I.P's cleared of these bans, but I dont know how. I love 4chan but it doesnt seem to like me very much.

>>999446
I cant contact 4chan managment, its got some strange e-mail system that requires me to know something about my server, and im new with computers, so i cant figure it out.

sorry to bring this up here but im grasping at straws. any help would be great.

>>999466
Sorry to randomly pop in, but ... isn't there a portion of the page where you can appeal your ban? I'm sure if you explain your situation calmly and clearly, they'll definitely consider your position.

(Also, correct me if I'm mistaken, but I believe there is also another thread for this particular problem?)

>>999434
your right, I'll leave you guys alone, sorry about the interuption youve all be very polite as ramdom guy suggests OP's and others be, I agree with what he says, but just so you know, what I said is also relevant. Im useing a free trial proxy software, that came with 4 I.P addresses you could chooses from, in one week other users got 3 of those 4 I.P's banned due to some pritty obsecene stuff, this is a bigger problem that maybe you guys mite want to talk to 4 chan about yourselves. thanks for your time, and again i appoogize for the interuption.

>>999342
The Pedo no Jikan wars were a response to some bad Kodomo no Jikan trolling threads that /c/ used to endure. These threads involved a lot of poor quality 'screencaps', inappropriate pics, and inappropriate requests for uncensored material. Some of the 'wars' were funny, but on the whole it made us look like /a/. It was two full threads of Pedos vs Lolis.

>>999481
No problem. No need to apologize.

>>999481
Thanks for the explanation. :D I really hadn't a clue.
>>999498
Don't you worry about it. We'd be going against the /c/ivility we stand for if we ignored your qualms.

Skmmed through this thread as fast as I could, and I definitely agree on the OP's point, especially since I'm a stick-in-the-mud about the quality of posts on /c/.
However, I think it'd be in our best interests to focus on positive re-inforcement by contributing to threads started by the few anons who actually get it right by posting a few pics off the bat, since after all that's kind of what I imagine /c/ is all about - namely /c/ivility.

Vaguely related /c/uteness is vaguely related.

A copypasta of a 'set response' sounds like an excellent idea. It should be short, polite, and to the point. I can't stand PROTIP. The other response that used to bug me was "Bumping + no picture = FAIL".
>>999498
Hey Anon, don't feel bad about the 'war'. It was a time when /c/ stood up for itself and had some fun while doing it. Don't forget the "Celebration of Cuteness" thread that went with it. There were a lot of us here in /c/ that participated and I was proud to be one of them.

>>999560

Certainly. If we see a thread with an OP that's not doing it wrong, we'll set a good example by showing how we reward good behavior. It almost seems like we're the trainers and the failing OPs are dogs, but perhaps that might be the best approach.

On that topic, what does everyone think about just the opposite-- Negative reinforcement for bad threads? If we see bad threads, should we not contribute even if we easily can and just post the polite education we mentioned earlier in this thread?

>>999560
>However, I think it'd be in our best interests to focus on positive re-inforcement by contributing to threads started by the few anons who actually get it right by posting a few pics off the bat, since after all that's kind of what I imagine /c/ is all about - namely /c/ivility.
Thank you for pointing this out and mentioning positive reinforcement. If you want to be positive and help out, I am all for contributing to it. But if you want to complain, I will more than happy to contribute to that too. Hence my postings >>999160, >>999184 and >>999188

Most of the time I tell the give a link to danbooru or gelbooru to help the OP get started. But when a thread is starting off as one big complaint in the guise of a discussion, I am not cool with that.

>>999560
Positive re-enforcement, I love it. If we give new/c/omers some encouragement with their first threads I'm sure they would be far more willing to keep coming back to contribute more. I still think 'bad threads' should just be ignored if they don't accept the friendly 'set response'. Negativity only encourages trolling.

I'm all for positive reinforcement and whatnot, but unless we spell things out explicitly, people aren't really going to figure things out. The new people who get it right won't know why nor will the lurkers viewing the positive reinforcement. Same goes for people who get it wrong - they won't know why unless it's spelled out for them. It's not 100% one way or the other, but I know for a fact that this'll be a major problem as I've been trying to positive reinforcement on its own and it's not yielding the results I had hoped.

I'm not saying it's a bad idea by any means, I just think that we need to couple that idea with something that explicitly and consistently delivers the message.

>>999584
I think that threads that ignore the set response (or whatever we end up going with) will simply languish, possibly get reported, and get deleted.

>>999578
Sorry to hear this doesn't fall under your definition of "discussion," Lassie-anon.

>>999601
Even then, I'm all for the copypasta idea just to get people to post decently, so all's good in my book.

Incidentally, as far as "discussion" threads go, I don't mind them as long as the participants are posting pictures, related or not. After all, this is an *image*board first and foremost.

Many of you are preaching /c/ivility, so does that mean you are a seperate sector of /c/, the /c/ivilians?

>>999609
Cool, we're on the same page then.

Yeah, I also tend to just pay attention to the pictures unless there's some topic that interests me (most threads are usually debates about who is cuter or something silly like that). Not really sure what >>999578 has against threads where OP is actually contributing even while trying to bring up a relevant gripe. Maybe there was a flood of whining threads in the past or something?

Anyway, we've got a good talk going. Anyone have any other suggestions or objections so far?

>>999616
Forgot to post a pic. My bad.

>>999616
Nope, I'm good.

>>999613
/c/itizens and /c/ivilians are more or less interchangable, methinks.

could I also suggest that asking for a sauce not be so incredibly taboo? I mean, is it really that hard to help out the new/c/omers on their way to an anime or manga that they might enjoy. I mean, if you're gonna post anyway, there's little effort required typing 1 or 2 words. Of course if it were an OP it would still have to comply to the 5-10 image rule before it could get a response.

>>999624
Hmm, that didnt sound right, sorry. But I'm sure you get my message anyways.

Positive reinforcement, huh?

So, something like ... "Hey, OP! We'd love to contribute to your thread, but it'd also be really great if you could post more of what you have as well. Here's something from my collection to help out!" meshed with Some Random Guy's draft, along with a related image?

>>999634
Sarcasm doesn't make for positive reinforcement.

I just explain that we ask people to contribute five or more pictures to get a thread going, give them a link to danbouru and gelbooru and then tell them we will contribute more after that.

Or if I am feeling lazy I just give a link to danbooru or gelbooru.

>>999624
Well I think that's one of the main reasons we're having this discussion. We want to help people out but we need to find a way to do that without letting /c/ turn into an anime-themed /r/ graveyard.

The problem is not that asking for the source of something is taboo - people ask for the source of pictures all the time in threads that are being contributed to and no one has any problem with those. It's that brand new threads started in this way end up being just as abandoned as other problem threads (in fact, it's probably worse).

Am I the only one here that DOESN'T get upset by a one post thread and ACTUALLY helps out by posting?

Sometimes I find it a fun challenge to look for pictures of stuff I don't have.

>>999634
Not quite: The previous puppy dog training school analogy was pretty accurate: If someone comes along asking for something *and* has the courtesy to dump some images to go with it (ones that are relevant to the subject matter to boot), we help him out if we can. If said request has only a single relevant image or none at all, or the the requester (requestee?) continues to be rude about it, snap 'im with the copypasta.

Why are you peeps trying to instigate rules when you are NOT mods?

>>999644
[Last post before I head out for the night.]
Well that's kind of why we want the copypasta in the first place. If we make it clear, polite, and helpful (links), then it shouldn't be a problem to just immediately post it right into an /r/ thread or a GO! thread that doesn't seem to be going anywhere.

The way I see it (people can correct me if I'm wrong) is that by doing this, we skirt around any initial confusion, present the OP with some good resources, save everyone time that might have been spent debating when to copypasta, and still ideally end up with the same results (cute pics!).

Again, I'm totally for this positive reinforcement idea, I just have reservations when it comes to implying certain things when a lot of new folk just need it spelled out for them. <--mean that in a non-condescending way, of course

You guys do realize that if you start having these "standard operating procedures" of replying, you're going to make it easier to troll this board?

By ignoring those threads, it doesn't invite trolls.

>>999660
Troll threads are easy to spot here. I just report them. I don't think these suggestions will affect whether people feel like trolling /c.
>>999653
These aren't rules. They're trying to help people and ask that they contribute too.

>>999638
I ... actually wasn't being sarcastic.

>>999644
Ah, so we don't post the copypasta right away? Okay.

>>999653
Like Anon said above, they're not rules. Just something we can agree on with regards to responding to such threads.

>>999660
How so? I mean, some threads may be trolls, but I like to believe that there are genuinely new people who want to look for /c/ute pictures as much as "old" folk do.

>>999642
Seconded. As long as the OP is decent about it and sounds more like he's asking a friend than demanding from a servant, I see nothing wrong with it. Especially if they are looking for something more naunced than "Character X from show Y" that might not tag well on the -boorus.

I'm a bit late to the party, but here are my thoughts.

-> The reason I hate directing everyone to /r/, as others have mentioned, is because /r/ is a cesspit of porn. I don't know about the rest of you, but I go to /c/ because I am not interested in all-out porn. IMHO what 4chan needs is to split /r/ into two boards: one for porn/hentai requests and one for WS rquests. (This would also be useful for boards like /sp/ and /k/ which are about more than "hey lookit boobies!") I don't know if anyone's willing to take this to Moot. Chances are he won't care.

-> Directing folks to Danbooru is also problematic. That site is a great resource, but there is a danger that every thread will turn into "Here's some stuff I found on Danb'u." Since Danbooru posts are more or less permanent, there won't be much point in having this board, especially now that we have Safebooru. (See my handle for my thoughts on /c/ dying.)

-> As far as OP's (plural, not possessive) contributing, I don't have a problem with that in principle. I think 5-10 might be a bit much for new users- perhaps 3-5 instead?

-> This board seems to go through fast and slow periods, of several cycles per year. We're in a fast period right now because the school year in the US has just ended and college students (such as myself) are on summer break. Also, Memorial Day was last weekend, so workers and HS students have had an extended break.

-> Only in /c/ can we have decent, intelligent meta-discussion. I love you guys.

Pic unrelated. Nami from One Piece. If this is too risque for you, /r/ in its current state will make your eyes bleed.

>>1000275

1MGET must have happened while I was typing that. Congratulations. /c/uteness forever.

>>999681 Ah, so we don't post the copypasta right away? Okay.

I'm arguing more for the opposite right now as mentioned in >>999656. The way I see it, it just works more efficiently if we do.

>>1000275
Yeah, it'd be nice if we could get a work-safe /r/ board now that I realize how many people seem to have issues with the often-NSFW nature of the current /r/ (but you gotta admit, it's 4chan). But you're right, it's very, very unlikely.

You do make a point about the booru sites but that's why I've included a simple-but-effective Google Images link and am also asking people to throw in any suggestions for other useful image sites. To be honest, Google Images will often turn up a hell of a lot of images that I've never seen on either /c/ or the booru sites.

As for the actual number of pics we are politely asking OP to try and contribute, it's all open to debate and discussion. People have been using 10 for a little while but I think 5-10 is better. For me, a minimum of 5 pics gives the thread a much better-looking start while the upper 10 gives the OPs a sense that we like people to contribute more if they can. 3-6 seems a little too low to me right now, but I'm more than willing to be convinced otherwise. ^_^

>>1000196
>>999642
No, you guys aren't the only ones, so don't worry. ;) I think we'd all love to help other people of /c/ out, so it's not the helping out that's necessarily the problem - it's the sheer quantity of these one-posts we've been seeing the past few months. I've seen a bunch of one-post threads filled by non-OPs such as yourselves and while I completely respect your kind contributions, there are still dozens of other one-post threads that just sit there, waiting to be deleted. The way I'm interpreting this is that the many kind contributions such as yours may be helping an OP here and there, it isn't actually fixing the big problem.

This is why I'm trying to find some sort of compromise that many of us can agree on that still gives OPs the sort of help you two are already provide but also works to consistently encourage them and future OPs to contribute back to /c/ instead of using us as an anime-themed /r/. We end up with more cute pictures, greet new and old /c/ users with respect and civility, and do our best to teach them "how to fish rather than giving them the fish" if you know the old saying.

So again, I think most people that have responded to this thread are with you, it's just that we'd like to find a better solution while still maintaining that sort of mentality.

>>1000546 fishing saying
I guess we're actually giving them fish too, but you get what I'm saying.

Also, I forgot to address a good point >>1000275 made about fast and slow period. This is absolutely true and while I fully admit that what we've seen the past week or so is probably more than during the school year proper, we still had more than our share of these threads during the first half of the year.

I swear I was leading up to a point there, but my mind's gone completely blank. o_o

>>1000531
>>1000275
I don't see a problem with booru sites. Some of the most interesting threads get created because of tags from them.

Something else occurred to me- the 'Boorus (at least the ones I visit) are pretty useless if one doesn't know how to navigate them. It took me a while to find out about and get used to things like mandatory underscores and the 2-tag limit. I would imagine most anons find this place before Danb'u, so if they don't know how things work here, they might not have much luck at one of the libraries.

Pic unrelated, except that it's the first (and best) pic I got from Danbooru.

Yui from To-Love-Ru.

>>1000812
That is an excellent point. If we do end up going with the set response, I think it would be very prudent to include a side note of this nature.

I'm noticing that we're nearing our image limit and I'm very happy with the contributions so far. So I ask the following:

1. Should I make a new thread after we reach the limit or should we continue discussion in this thread until we settle on which general approach to pursue?
2. Does anyone have any further suggestions for solutions that don't relate to the set response? If not, then who is in favor of proceeding with tinkering with the set response (wording, points like what >>1000812 made, etc.) and who thinks we still need to consider other approaches?

Something I noticed in this thread:
>>1000908
Particularly this response:
>You guys should let OP provide first, or else the rest of them will get used to it.

I think it's all right to contribute to a thread you're interested in even if OP hasn't posted any additional pictures himself/herself. Perhaps we should respond with something like this only if some time has passed and there are still no other images.

I gave your thread a look the other day, and decided to try some of the suggetions that were made reguarding taking a more active role in your own thread,
I always post in my own thread, I give at least three pics at first, then I just added picks to bump it before it drops off the last page, but I did it anonymously.
so recently I started identifying myself to show that I was paying attention to the thread, and its come alive again, posts are comming in faster than it did when I started the thread.
Thanks for the tips, they really do seem to work.

Well, everyone, this has been a fantastic discussion. I hope that everyone here will continue to implement our ideas long after this thread leaves /c/ and enters the archives. (this IS being archived, right?) I'm gonna bump it up one more time just in case anyone else has something they'd like to add. Remember, here on /c/, any opinion is welcome-- you won't receive the poor attitude of most of the other boards in a place centered around cute, clean women.

Oh, and sorry if I was absent for the latter half of our chat-- I fell asleep. :P

This all sounds good to me OP. You have my support. I have been lamenting the lack of /c/ivil behaviour being displayed on /c/ lately. I remember when this place was the friendliest board on 4chan. I do believe that that time can and will come again however. That is why I am bumping this thread. As I said you have my full support OP. Carry on!

I'm still not sold on the idea, but it looks like it's going to be implemented regardless, so I want to help prevent it from becoming a complete disaster.

>>1000196
This is probably the biggest unresolved point. In a thread that's more "theme" than "character," you can't expect an anon to find several thematic pics in a hurry if they don't easily correspond to tags. (Or GIS keywords.) Some have proposed using "in return..." which seems like it would make for disjointed threads. For example: "Looking for pics of cute girls in a library. In return, Orihime!" People who don't read the comments would probably turn that into an Orihime thread, and somehow I can't picture her in a library.

My suggestion- for the first couple weeks we do this, we'll try it only on "character" threads and hold off on "theme" threads until we have a better idea of how this will work.

>>1001834
Well if you're still not sold on it, you need to be providing all the input you can. You've already made a point or two that have been fairly accurate and the latest is definitely worth discussing, so if things are looking so bad that they're going to be a "disaster," perhaps you should try to have a greater say in things. I keep asking for everyone's input but the reason we've gotten this far is because we're getting a general consensus that people would like to move to the next phase before implementation. I certainly don't mind voices of dissent as long as people aren't being rude about it.

Anyway, what do people think about this issue with theme-related threads? One initial idea (which is very subject to change) is that we still post the set response but include an extra note that sticks out letting OP know that people will start contributing and would like for them to try to contribute themselves. We'd probably have to alter a few details in the set response (maybe make a theme-thread set response?) and would ask OP to identify themselves when they contribute........I'll fully admit the idea's a bit messy right now but I wanted to throw this out there for discussion.

I'm interested to hear what other people's thoughts and suggestions are regarding this - especially Yomi-kun. <--Oh, and I don't know whether you meant to imply this or not, but the actual implementation is still a little ways off. We're just rounding out the brainstorming session. ^_^

Two last things: What's the word on archiving this thread? Some people seem to be very much in favor of this and I wouldn't mind having some sort of reference point.

Since we're getting close to the image limit [edit: image limit reached while I was typing!], I'll start a new thread but only after we've had a chance to discuss this latest matter brought up by Yomi-kun. Once we've arrived at a fairly agreeable point, I'll whip up a new thread for drafting things up.

>>1001924 What's the word on archiving this thread?

This thread has been nominated for archival and is awaiting approval.

Here is the beauty behind this thread.
Being that it is 4chan and it this isn't being implemented by a mod, NOBODY HAS TO DO WHAT IT SAYS.

/c/ is not a one big bandwagon.

I will just do as my mood depends, either giving links to danbooru or ignoring the thread or posting pics myself. Or hell, I may even post after you guys do explaining how that even though you may sound like you are bullying the OP, you aren't.

What is an archived thread, and where would one go to see it?

(image limit reached so no image)

>/c/ is not a one big bandwagon.

Quoted for truth.
Though we may be more /c/ivilized than the /b/arbarian hordes to the North, the fact is that we're still a loosely-knit group of mostly anonymous individuals. If a handful of people decide to figure out something like this, cool. But don't be surprised when it's only the few of you implementing it, or when others see the copypasta posts and fill up the entire thread themselves just for the hell of it.

As for me personally, my main qualm is that the wording (and the concept itself, really) seems too formal and insincere. You can put all the nice words, intentions, and helpfulness in it that you like, and even mean them. In the end it will still come off to newbies like a form letter explaining that we're all a bunch of selfish pricks, and that we won't help them until they've already found what they're looking for and wouldn't need us anyway.

Yes, I'm exaggerating the point a bit for emphasis and for the sake of being devil's advocate here. Just take these point from this post:

1. You speak for yourselves, not "the people of /c/".
2. Be very careful on wording. It's very easy to come across as much more antagonistic than you intend to. And form letters invariably feel insincere, which goes against the whole "/c/ is nice and friendly" vibe. I don't entirely agree with the idea, but when the exact phrasing is being fleshed out I'm sure I'll offer more specific suggestions.

>>1002275
www.4chanarchive.com
An unofficial site that will download archive 4chan threads for browsing after they've died. Requires 5 people to go there and request a thread (8 for /b/), then final approval by a moderator there. If successful a thread will show up a few days or so after it dies.

>>1002376
>Quoted for truth.
thanks anon, somebody else sees my point

>As for me personally, my main qualm is that the wording (and the concept itself, really) seems too formal and insincere. (and continued on)
This is kind of related to what you are saying: http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Verbose
in addition to coming off as sounding like pricks

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I think the 'set response' needs some fixes but its a rough and hasnt been changed to reflect this discussion. I dont know why people are suddenly getting so rude though. Go to /a/ if you want to act like dicks.

>>999642
>>1002376

I'm with both of these, especially the latter.

To elaborate, think of when you call a business/school/whatever and you get a recorded message. You know that it's necessary for larger organizations, but that still doesn't help the revulsion you naturally feel.

Also, there is a lot to be said to help out an anon who asks for something in earnest, *especially* if it's something hard to find. To expand on an earlier point, we need to use great discretion in terms of what we expect new anons to contribute. You can find pictures of Haruhi anywhere these days. Marmalade Boy, not so much.

You guys keep asking for other solutions. How about a compromise- post some kind of copypasta/friendly message with an image relevant to the thread?

Maybe someone else will come along and think of something better than that. I certainly hope so.

Last thing for tonight, since we are over the limit, I propose starting a new thread soon. I'll leave this to Random Guy or whoever else wants to. It should, however, start with a summary and the points of contention remaining from this thread.

>2) We do not represent all of /c/ nor do we wish to.
>>999134
>"the people of /c/" would like to request...
(I realize wording was a very rough draft but it was enough to irk me.)


I have no particular other ideas beyond
1. Ignoring the issue and act as we always have, with an eccentric and inconsistent mix of attitudes. I don't consider the system as it is to be all that broken, and I see only a few threads a day that I suspect might be helped by this.
2. Making an effort to be more helpful without relying on canned responses. The new thread volume isn't all that high here. Be creative.

And I wasn't really trying to call you a prick, just saying that's how one can come across by responding to someone's request with copypasta. Much like how I probably come across as one even though that's not my intent. (Well, okay. Maybe it is a little). Cute pictures help diffuse tension - maybe it's about time to start the thread for trying to figure out the exact wording and other details, so we can start posting more cuties?

I'm not necessarily against the idea in principle and I have no doubt of your intentions, I just feel awkward about having pseudo-official copypasta in place of organic friendly interaction and guidance for newbies. It sounds so cold and bureaucratic.

But hey, surprise me. I'd be happy to be proven wrong on this and see you pull it off.

I lied!
Forgot to mention that I'd rather have the copypasta than the current practice of "belongs in /r/" + sage. Way too brusque, and really destroys the point of a WS board if every single new poster gets directed to what is essentially a porn site.

Good night for real this time.

Hey guys, so here are some points that I really should address:

>>1002492
This is very true. I forget about it all the time but I should be consistently pointing out that the current set response in my third post is totally a rough draft. Looking at it I absolutely agree that it's a bit stagnant as others have pointed out, but you also have to remember that this was just to give people an idea of where I was coming from. We've had a lot of excellent input (both positive and negative) and taking it all into account, the rough set response appears only more inadequate. So really, we're making good progress when it comes to that issue.

[long message is too long, continued in next post]

[continued]

>>1002510
Agreed that not all one-post or /r/ threads are created equal. We're up for considering an alternate version for themed threads as was mentioned earlier and I certainly wouldn't have a problem if the person posting the set response added their own contribution as well - whether that be a pic or two or a more specific site/link for the situation. Like I said, we all want to be helpful but I'd also like to help teach OPs new to /c/ to contribute as well as opposed to the spoon-feeding I'm seeing a lot of. <-- Again, a few threads here and there is perfectly fine, but we've been seeing a lot of these the past few months.

Also, I fully intend to start a new thread within the next day (possibly late tonight), but I really wanted to leave a window open during that time for any possible suggestions that are totally different from what we've been discussing. We also had the other points about my rough set response being a bit cold and I think we're close to an understanding (not "solution" - that's for later). So once I start the next thread I'm hoping it'll be more for the purpose of fixing my broken set response and making something more /c/-like and helpful for OPs.

And yes, I'll try and make as complete a list of pertinent points regarding the set response as I can. Excellent point.

>>1002517
Hey man, the unintentional cold text works both ways. ^_^ We've elaborated on our points and I totally see where you're coming from. I just wish there was an "edit" button so I could change my rough set response to something more representative of where the discussion has been going. :(

>>1002517 here.

No worries Random Guy. I'm just getting antsy from not being able to post cute things in this thread as I rant :-p

A little early, but I'll bring it up now since I'm thinking about it. Might want to work in a "/c/ is a very slow board" disclaimer, since that seems to be one of the bigger culture shocks that refugees from other boards seem to have. Over the weekend I saw an OP bump his post (no content, just "bump") after only a couple minutes - no other posts having been made in /c/ during that time. Funny from the outside, but until they figure out what's going on they must assume we're just ignoring them, so better to make it clear as soon as we can.

(Becoming a tripfag for a bit to identify myself, since drawn-out conversations get weird without it.)

>>1002518
It'd be good to sage along with the copypasta.
Sage was originally intended to be useful until the "sagebomb" came around... Now sage doesn't do anything besides not bumping (which means it doesn't count towards the bump limit, apparently).

>>1002615
I hear you, man. I'm actually writing up a rough for the start of the next discussion thread. I'm thinking I'll post it up late this evening unless someone has a new and awesome suggestion.

I'll definitely make note of the "slow board" suggestion but you should be sure to bring it up in the next thread. I've seen a lot of the immediate bumps you're talking about but don't know whether it should go in the main copypasta (worried about being too wordy - despite what my posts might say about me otherwise) or if it might be worth making a completely separate, short copypasta for those situations. Heck, we might even be able to just tell people to keep an eye out for that kind of thread and post their own version.

Anyway, looking forward to your contributions in the next thread. I think it's good to have a few voices of dissent as long as everyone stays civil. ^_^

Who wants to bet that the mod(s) of /c/ are sitting back and laughing at this thread?

>>1002653
Don't really mind if they're laughing at us or not. This might make their lives a little easier in the future, to be honest.

Saging since I don't really need to bump the thread for this post.

I read all of stuff about us coming off as pompous, and I have to agree that's a valid point. Even if we say and mean it in the nicest manner, a lot of folks might take offense to it and lose interest. Perhaps we shouldn't be entirely strict with our polite education--- in some cases, one pic really is all an OP can find.

I believe the Haruhi vs. Marmalade Boy example (>>1002510) makes sense... Don't send them off to the boorus and whatnot if pics are really that difficult to find.

Also, are there any more WS sources than the ones we've listed we can send OPs to? I'd suggest pixiv.net, which for all who haven't been there is a totally worksafe board with tons of pictures of even the most minor characters, but that's all in Japanese and you need an account, which is free but still a bit of an inconvenience and potentially confusing...

>>1002653
The mods? I doubt they've even noticed the thread. And if they have, I'd like one of them to post their thoughts on what we're doing... While they may be the law of the board, guarding against rule-breaking posts and such, what we're doing right now is setting up the structure of how we treat /c/'s lawful but still annoying problems. You could compare the mods and us to the police and the government. Let's hope that we end up being a good government, eh?

>>1002734
>pixiv.net = worksafe
Apparently you haven't been there much.
First pic I saw today had a girl with "melted vanilla ice cream" on her face, in her hair and clothes...
It has a filter, but it isn't surefire

>>1002743
Alright, thanks for letting me know, in that case. Maybe I've just gotten lucky with what I've seen? Regardless, it's still a lot safer than the boorus...

>>1002745
there is a worksafe version of danbooru although it isn't totally worksafe, but it is better

>>1002774
Really now? Interesting... Do you happen to know the url, Anon? And if not you, does anyone else?

New discussion thread is up! Check it out. o_O
>>1002886